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I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. |
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On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:03, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. I would say: welcome to Pharo Smalltalk ;-) This is why/how we do it: keep on improving the infrastructure in small steps and sometimes replace big parts. The amount of things already done, being done and in the pipeline is really spectacular. And yes, Nautilus is really cool. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill |
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If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too.
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Thank you for the welcome , and yes I try to move with small steps and first make sure I know pharo very well before I propose or try to change anything in it. Seem I got tons to learn and thats a very good thing :) Any chance you can reply to my initial question why some classes and methods and protocols are grey out in nautilus ? From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:17 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:03, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. I would say: welcome to Pharo Smalltalk ;-) This is why/how we do it: keep on improving the infrastructure in small steps and sometimes replace big parts. The amount of things already done, being done and in the pipeline is really spectacular. And yes, Nautilus is really cool. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill |
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Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. -- Pavel
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. > From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text > > If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. > > -- Pavel > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill |
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thanks added to my list of things to study :) From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:33 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. > From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text > > If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. > > -- Pavel > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill |
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If you have got a package named MyPackage then if some class that is not part of this package has got some methods in categories named like *MyPackage(-Something) (star, package name, optional category) then this methods are bundled together with MyPackage.
-- Pavel
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Oh I see, very clever, are those methods traits ? From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:48 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text If you have got a package named MyPackage then if
some class that is not part of this package has got some methods in categories named like *MyPackage(-Something) (star, package name, optional category) then this methods are bundled together with MyPackage. -- Pavel
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
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No, just a method added to a class, and categorized with a special name: *NameOfThePackageWhereItBelongs
Esteban On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
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ok I understand now thank you all for the clarifications. Very exciting and powerful stuff, the more I learn about pharo and smalltalk the more I love it. From: Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 12:15 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text No, just a method added to a class, and categorized with a special name: *NameOfThePackageWhereItBelongs Esteban On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On 12 Dec 2012, at 11:20, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > ok I understand now thank you all for the clarifications. > Very exciting and powerful stuff, the more I learn about pharo and smalltalk the more I love it. Yes, Dimitris, that is the idea. But you have been warned: once you get infected it is hard to go back ;-) One other thing: there is a Pharo-Users mailing list as well, it has less traffic, but the idea is that conversations like the one in this thread (how do I do this or that ? what does this or that mean ?) are better held there. http://www.pharo-project.org/community Keep on asking questions ! > From: Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 12:15 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text > > No, just a method added to a class, and categorized with a special name: *NameOfThePackageWhereItBelongs > > Esteban > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Oh I see, very clever, are those methods traits ? >> >> From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:48 >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >> >> If you have got a package named MyPackage then if some class that is not part of this package has got some methods in categories named like *MyPackage(-Something) (star, package name, optional category) then this methods are bundled together with MyPackage. >> >> -- Pavel >> >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> thanks added to my list of things to study :) >> >> From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:33 >> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >> >> >> On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? >> >> No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. >> >> > From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >> > To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 >> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >> > >> > If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. >> > >> > -- Pavel >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? >> > >> > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> http://stfx.eu >> Smalltalk is the Red Pill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill |
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Noted and subscribed will ask nooby questions there from there on in combination with stackoverflow. Be prepared to be bombared by questions , raise your shields :D The more I discover about pharo (and smalltalk in general) the
more I believe that pharo is the right choice for my project Ephestos. For example visual coding wise(an area that I want to focus on) i found thanks to PharoCasts Roassal http://www.pharocasts.com/2012/09/roassal.html?utm_source=BP_recent and some cool thing one can do with morphs and physics http://www.pharocasts.com/2012/01/morphic-and-physics.html?utm_source=BP_recent and I am especially interest in nautilus, glamour, ring, lumiere and all these new things for me that feels like an early christmas present. But yes definetly will ask those questions in the users mailing list after i read the documentation. From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 12:52 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text On 12 Dec 2012, at 11:20, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > ok I understand now thank you all for the clarifications. > Very exciting and powerful stuff, the more I learn about pharo and smalltalk the more I love it. Yes, Dimitris, that is the idea. But you have been warned: once you get infected it is hard to go back ;-) One other thing: there is a Pharo-Users mailing list as well, it has less traffic, but the idea is that conversations like the one in this thread (how do I do this or that ? what does this or that mean ?) are better held there. http://www.pharo-project.org/community Keep on asking questions ! > From: Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> > To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 12:15 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text > > No, just a method added to a class, and categorized with a special name: *NameOfThePackageWhereItBelongs > > Esteban > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Oh I see, very clever, are those methods traits ? >> >> From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:48 >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >> >> If you have got a package named MyPackage then if some class that is not part of this package has got some methods in categories named like *MyPackage(-Something) (star, package name, optional category) then this methods are bundled together with MyPackage. >> >> -- Pavel >> >> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> thanks added to my list of things to study :) >> >> From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:33 >> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >> >> >> On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> > Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? >> >> No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. >> >> > From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >> > To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 >> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >> > >> > If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. >> > >> > -- Pavel >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? >> > >> > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> http://stfx.eu >> Smalltalk is the Red Pill >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill |
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On 12 dec 2012, at 11:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On 12 Dec 2012, at 11:20, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> ok I understand now thank you all for the clarifications. > >> Very exciting and powerful stuff, the more I learn about pharo and smalltalk the more I love it. > > Yes, Dimitris, that is the idea. But you have been warned: once you get infected it is hard to go back ;-) That was the understatement of the year: I went from using Smalltalk in my daily job for 15 years, to Java. Two years later and not a day goes by that I don't wish I could have carried on using Smalltalk! How long does it take for the infection to be cured, anyone know? -- Cheers, Peter. > One other thing: there is a Pharo-Users mailing list as well, it has less traffic, but the idea is that conversations like the one in this thread (how do I do this or that ? what does this or that mean ?) are better held there. > > http://www.pharo-project.org/community > > Keep on asking questions ! > >> From: Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> >> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 12:15 >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >> >> No, just a method added to a class, and categorized with a special name: *NameOfThePackageWhereItBelongs >> >> Esteban >> >> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> Oh I see, very clever, are those methods traits ? >>> >>> From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >>> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:48 >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >>> >>> If you have got a package named MyPackage then if some class that is not part of this package has got some methods in categories named like *MyPackage(-Something) (star, package name, optional category) then this methods are bundled together with MyPackage. >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> thanks added to my list of things to study :) >>> >>> From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> >>> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:33 >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >>> >>> >>> On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? >>> >>> No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. >>> >>>> From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >>>> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >>>> >>>> If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. >>>> >>>> -- Pavel >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? >>>> >>>> By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. >>> >>> -- >>> Sven Van Caekenberghe >>> http://stfx.eu >>> Smalltalk is the Red Pill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > > > |
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On 12 Dec 2012, at 15:32, Peter Hugosson-Miller <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 12 dec 2012, at 11:52, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> >> On 12 Dec 2012, at 11:20, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >>> ok I understand now thank you all for the clarifications. >> >>> Very exciting and powerful stuff, the more I learn about pharo and smalltalk the more I love it. >> >> Yes, Dimitris, that is the idea. But you have been warned: once you get infected it is hard to go back ;-) > > That was the understatement of the year: I went from using Smalltalk in my daily job for 15 years, to Java. Two years later and not a day goes by that I don't wish I could have carried on using Smalltalk! > > How long does it take for the infection to be cured, anyone know? If you have been programming Smalltalk for that long you are effectively incurable, infected for life, sorry to be so bold. At least you should spent all your free time doing Smalltalk, better would be to find another job or start a company to do Smalltalk. ;-) > -- > Cheers, > Peter. > >> One other thing: there is a Pharo-Users mailing list as well, it has less traffic, but the idea is that conversations like the one in this thread (how do I do this or that ? what does this or that mean ?) are better held there. >> >> http://www.pharo-project.org/community >> >> Keep on asking questions ! >> >>> From: Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> >>> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 12:15 >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >>> >>> No, just a method added to a class, and categorized with a special name: *NameOfThePackageWhereItBelongs >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> On Dec 12, 2012, at 11:11 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh I see, very clever, are those methods traits ? >>>> >>>> From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >>>> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:48 >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >>>> >>>> If you have got a package named MyPackage then if some class that is not part of this package has got some methods in categories named like *MyPackage(-Something) (star, package name, optional category) then this methods are bundled together with MyPackage. >>>> >>>> -- Pavel >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:38 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> thanks added to my list of things to study :) >>>> >>>> From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> >>>> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:33 >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? >>>> >>>> No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. >>>> >>>>> From: Pavel Krivanek <[hidden email]> >>>>> To: [hidden email]; dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text >>>>> >>>>> If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. >>>>> >>>>> -- Pavel >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>>> I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? >>>>> >>>>> By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe >>>> http://stfx.eu >>>> Smalltalk is the Red Pill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> http://stfx.eu >> Smalltalk is the Red Pill >> >> >> >> > |
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