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Sean P. DeNigris
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Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus anywhere useful. Options:
  - search bar
  - typing brings up the class search dialog
  - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
    - cmd-F to search packages
    - cmd-f to search classes
    - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane, and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template, but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click anyway. Two suggestions
  - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu item that transfers focus to the preselected template
  - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean
Cheers,
Sean
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Re: Nautilus first impression

Benjamin Van Ryseghem (Pharo)

On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

Cool :)

> A few suggestions...
> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages

We thought of that, but first, we had to make the tree widgets faster :)

> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
> anywhere useful.

This is strange, the focus should be at the nice place (like class if you browse a class, method if you browse a method and so on)
I will check that.

> Options:
>  - search bar

I will keep that in mind ;)

>  - typing brings up the class search dialog
>  - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
>    - cmd-F to search packages
>    - cmd-f to search classes
>    - start typing to do a basic package search

As I said, the focus should be there.

> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
> anyway.

True ! I already notice that ^^ To be honest, I just copy/paste the behavior from the default browser, but I will change that soon ^^

> Two suggestions
>  - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
> item that transfers focus to the preselected template
>  - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template

> * back/forward buttons for history navigation?

They use to be there, I will reintroduce them :)

> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

I have now idea how to do that except creating a dedicated repository :)


>
> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>

Thanks to you for your feedback and your good ideas :)

Ben

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Re: Nautilus first impression

Guillermo Polito


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Benjamin <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote:

> Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

Cool :)

> A few suggestions...
> * Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
> (e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
> all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages

We thought of that, but first, we had to make the tree widgets faster :)

> * I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
> opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
> anywhere useful.

This is strange, the focus should be at the nice place (like class if you browse a class, method if you browse a method and so on)
I will check that.

> Options:
>  - search bar

I will keep that in mind ;)

>  - typing brings up the class search dialog
>  - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
> away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
>    - cmd-F to search packages
>    - cmd-f to search classes
>    - start typing to do a basic package search

As I said, the focus should be there.

> * creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
> "messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
> and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
> selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
> but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
> when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
> anyway.

True ! I already notice that ^^ To be honest, I just copy/paste the behavior from the default browser, but I will change that soon ^^

> Two suggestions
>  - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
> item that transfers focus to the preselected template
>  - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template

> * back/forward buttons for history navigation?

They use to be there, I will reintroduce them :)

> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

I have now idea how to do that except creating a dedicated repository :)

And then a Plugin to fetch them :3



>
> Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>

Thanks to you for your feedback and your good ideas :)

Ben

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Re: Nautilus first impression

Sean P. DeNigris
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In reply to this post by Benjamin Van Ryseghem (Pharo)
Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote
I just copy/paste the behavior from the default browser
haha. yes, it looked very familiar

Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote
> * a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them
I have now idea how to do that except creating a dedicated repository :)
Just dreaming...

Benjamin Van Ryseghem-2 wrote
Thanks to you for your feedback and your good ideas :)
You're welcome. It's the least I could do :)
Cheers,
Sean
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Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

EstebanLM
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

Mariano Martinez Peck


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)

Do not forget me ;) 
In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)

 
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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philippeback
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Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Benjamin Van Ryseghem (Pharo)
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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philippeback
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Not forgotten :-)

BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.

I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.

Phil

2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)

Do not forget me ;) 
In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)

 
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

philippeback
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Just did but...

It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.

What am I doing wrong?

Phil, eager to have this working.

(BTW, nice fading effect)

2012/4/22 Benjamin <[hidden email]>
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

EstebanLM
yes... because is not finished :)
now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(

as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)

Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Just did but...

It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.

What am I doing wrong?

Phil, eager to have this working.

(BTW, nice fading effect)

2012/4/22 Benjamin <[hidden email]>
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not forgotten :-)

BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.


I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :(
See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html
Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
 
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.


That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.

 
Phil


2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)

Do not forget me ;) 
In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)

 
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
yes... because is not finished :)
now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(

as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)


+9999

Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after.  But we welcome any work and progress in the area.


 
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Just did but...

It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.

What am I doing wrong?

Phil, eager to have this working.

(BTW, nice fading effect)

2012/4/22 Benjamin <[hidden email]>
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-)

2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not forgotten :-)

BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.


I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :(
See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html
Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
 
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.


That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.

 
Phil


2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)

Do not forget me ;) 
In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)

 
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Ok, finish it and you'll get beers end of may :-) What about 3 or 4?

2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
yes... because is not finished :)
now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(

as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)


+9999

Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after.  But we welcome any work and progress in the area.


 
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Just did but...

It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.

What am I doing wrong?

Phil, eager to have this working.

(BTW, nice fading effect)

2012/4/22 Benjamin <[hidden email]>
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

Benjamin Van Ryseghem (Pharo)
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I can propose my help too :)


Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:



On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
yes... because is not finished :)
now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(

as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)


+9999

Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after.  But we welcome any work and progress in the area.


 
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Just did but...

It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.

What am I doing wrong?

Phil, eager to have this working.

(BTW, nice fading effect)

2012/4/22 Benjamin <[hidden email]>
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Re: Nautilus first impression

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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
There is a comment on your blog article asking for details :-)


Yes, I answerd it. But I think over another post (sorry, mistake)
Here is the answer: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/02/26/nautilus-the-reborn-of-the-systembrowser/#comment-373

Cheers
 

2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Not forgotten :-)

BTW, This Builder thing of yours deserves a chapter in PBE2.


I think the idea is really really cool. However, after several months I noticed Metacello is not ready for that :(
See: http://forum.world.st/WTF-td4557982.html
Dale says that next version of Metacello may help for that...so maybe we are lucky.
 
I volunteer to help once I'll get a simple thing working on my side. Which I failed to get so far.


That would be nice. Let me know if I can help you with the failure.

 
Phil


2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he)

Do not forget me ;) 
In fact, I vote for including Spotlight in Pharo 2.0 (and remove it from #cleanUpForProduction)

 
, but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
Ok, finish it and you'll get beers end of may

so you are going to the PharoConf?  excellent

 
:-) What about 3 or 4?

2012/4/22 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>


On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
yes... because is not finished :)
now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(

as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)


+9999

Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after.  But we welcome any work and progress in the area.


 
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Just did but...

It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.

What am I doing wrong?

Phil, eager to have this working.

(BTW, nice fading effect)

2012/4/22 Benjamin <[hidden email]>
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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Mariano Martinez Peck
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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Benjamin <[hidden email]> wrote:
I can propose my help too :)


The best help is to use it and give feedback I guess ;)

 

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote:



On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
yes... because is not finished :)
now it works like New OCompletion (because that is what is)... so you have to press tab before enter :(

as I said... never finished because as is is ok for me, but if there is some interest, I can add "immediate enter" functionality tomorrow :)


+9999

Spotlight/Algernon is such a great tool. In fact, Esteban did it because I told him that if he did it I offered him a beer (BTW Esteban, consider the beer you drunk last week at home as THAT beer ahhahahaha). He could do it in just a couple of hours and was not continue after.  But we welcome any work and progress in the area.


 
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:31 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Just did but...

It opens, I type for example HO (my prefix for my classes) and I get a drop down. But then clicking on one, or going to it with the keyboard arrows and typing [ENTER] just gives me an inform: 'There is no HO class'.

What am I doing wrong?

Phil, eager to have this working.

(BTW, nice fading effect)

2012/4/22 Benjamin <[hidden email]>
I will give a try, for sure ;)

Ben

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:25 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Hey cool.

I think I saw that spotlight thing somewhere in MarianoBuilder along with Sandcastle themes.

Phil

2012/4/22 Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
Hi, 

for having a search bar, you can give Spotlight a try.

Gofer it
squeaksource: 'Spotlight';
package: 'ConfigurationOfSpotlight';
load.
(ConfigurationOfSpotlight project version: #bleedingEdge) load.

then, just press shift+enter :)

is not finished (because nobody is using it but me, he), but it is useful... it is just a OCompletion bar resembling spotlight from macs. 

best,
Esteban

On Apr 22, 2012, at 8:15 PM, [hidden email] wrote:

Yes, Nautilus is ubernice. Especially given the forthcoming search bar :-p

The help panel cutting the bottom pane in two is all right but then, could we have it with a smaller font? I drives me nuts to have to scroll down there.

Phil

2012/4/22 Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]>
Wow, Nautilus is *really* fun to use! I have quite a few ideas for plugins...

A few suggestions...
* Hierarchical package list - also, since with Metacello the convention is
(e.g. P-Core, P-UI, P-Tests) with no overarching package, it should group
all packages matching P-*, even if they are technically separate packages
* I miss the search bar from OB where I could just start typing as soon as I
opened the window. It seems that Nautilus doesn't set the keyboard focus
anywhere useful. Options:
 - search bar
 - typing brings up the class search dialog
 - give keyboard focus to the package list so I can use the shortcuts right
away. This may be the best one because I have access to 3 options:
   - cmd-F to search packages
   - cmd-f to search classes
   - start typing to do a basic package search
* creating new methods - when you click a protocol name, the
"messageSelectorAndArgumentNames" template is displayed in the code pane,
and is pre-selected. I found this very confusing as a newbie because the
selection made me think that I could start typing to replace the template,
but the keyboard focus is not on the template. It's also useless because
when you click on the code pane, it unselects, so you have to double-click
anyway. Two suggestions
 - from the class pane, protocol pane, or both, have an "add method" menu
item that transfers focus to the preselected template
 - when just clicking on a protocol, don't pre-select the template
* back/forward buttons for history navigation?
* a centralized place to put/list plugins so we can share them

Many thanks to Benjamin. This was sorely needed!

Cheers,
Sean

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1301 Bierges





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