New much faster Pharo based on 10379
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I've just uploaded a new Pharo image. It is much faster now, but you
won't get the package browsing (only the category browsing). http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download For all the people who found Pharo slow, please tell me what you think of this one ! -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > I've just uploaded a new Pharo image. It is much faster now, but you > won't get the package browsing (only the category browsing). > > http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > For all the people who found Pharo slow, please tell me what you think > of this one ! funnily enough I cannot program with this browser. So I will load the OBpackage one and wait that it gets faster. Stef > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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In reply to this post by Damien Cassou
can you disable the annotation pane too?
Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the other one too? May be put also the highPerformance on I would also remove the optional buttons because they just take space. (You see I can also be dogmatic). I imgaine that the roundcorner could be disable too to gain some cycles too. Stef On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > I've just uploaded a new Pharo image. It is much faster now, but you > won't get the package browsing (only the category browsing). > > http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > For all the people who found Pharo slow, please tell me what you think > of this one ! > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:28 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > can you disable the annotation pane too? +1 > Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the other > one too? > May be put also the highPerformance on This preference should be removed. It does not increase performance, rather to the contrary it may make the image slower as it increases the number of screen update cycles. Adrian > I would also remove the optional buttons because they just take space. > (You see I can also be dogmatic). > > I imgaine that the roundcorner could be disable too to gain some > cycles too. > Stef > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > >> I've just uploaded a new Pharo image. It is much faster now, but you >> won't get the package browsing (only the category browsing). >> >> http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download >> >> For all the people who found Pharo slow, please tell me what you >> think >> of this one ! >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >> popular by not having them." James Iry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:40 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:28 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> can you disable the annotation pane too? > > +1 > >> Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the other >> one too? >> May be put also the highPerformance on > > This preference should be removed. It does not increase performance, > rather to the contrary it may make the image slower as it increases > the number of screen update cycles. Arghhhh trapped again I spotted some other obsolete preferences. > > Adrian > >> I would also remove the optional buttons because they just take >> space. >> (You see I can also be dogmatic). >> >> I imgaine that the roundcorner could be disable too to gain some >> cycles too. >> Stef >> >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: >> >>> I've just uploaded a new Pharo image. It is much faster now, but you >>> won't get the package browsing (only the category browsing). >>> >>> http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download >>> >>> For all the people who found Pharo slow, please tell me what you >>> think >>> of this one ! >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them >>> popular by not having them." James Iry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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> can you disable the annotation pane too?
Yeah, the annotation pane is extremely slow. I never use it myself. > Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the other > one too? I don't think that would work with the code that is used in the image Damien created. The OB code in this image does not contain the slow extra checks that were hacked into the core code to make the package browser functioning. Furthermore the normal browser is not really useable if the package browser is loaded, because menu items are missing and strangely positioned to the point it is not useable anymore. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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OK then we should ask david if
- he addressed the check removal - found the problems with the menus? david? Stef On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> can you disable the annotation pane too? > > Yeah, the annotation pane is extremely slow. I never use it myself. > >> Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the other >> one too? > > I don't think that would work with the code that is used in the image > Damien created. The OB code in this image does not contain the slow > extra checks that were hacked into the core code to make the package > browser functioning. Furthermore the normal browser is not really > useable if the package browser is loaded, because menu items are > missing and strangely positioned to the point it is not useable > anymore. > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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In reply to this post by Damien Cassou
> OK then we should ask david if > - he addressed the check removal > - found the problems with the menus? The check removal I addressed, but the menu problems not yet. I will be away the next three weeks, I can't work on this during that period. But I will look at it when I'm back (Aug 10). But I really suggest to not load OB-Enhancements if you do not want to use the package browser at all. David > On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >>> can you disable the annotation pane too? >> >> Yeah, the annotation pane is extremely slow. I never use it myself. >> >>> Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the other >>> one too? >> >> I don't think that would work with the code that is used in the image >> Damien created. The OB code in this image does not contain the slow >> extra checks that were hacked into the core code to make the package >> browser functioning. Furthermore the normal browser is not really >> useable if the package browser is loaded, because menu items are >> missing and strangely positioned to the point it is not useable >> anymore. >> >> Lukas >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:59 AM, David Röthlisberger wrote: > >> OK then we should ask david if >> - he addressed the check removal >> - found the problems with the menus? > > The check removal I addressed, but the menu problems not yet. Excellent this is another step in the right direction. > I will be away the next three weeks, I can't work on this during > that period. But I > will look at it when I'm back (Aug 10). > But I really suggest to not load OB-Enhancements if you do not want > to use the > package browser at all. Ok but we need it :) I cannot work with categories anymore. Stef > > David > >> On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:00 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> >>>> can you disable the annotation pane too? >>> >>> Yeah, the annotation pane is extremely slow. I never use it myself. >>> >>>> Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the >>>> other >>>> one too? >>> >>> I don't think that would work with the code that is used in the >>> image >>> Damien created. The OB code in this image does not contain the slow >>> extra checks that were hacked into the core code to make the package >>> browser functioning. Furthermore the normal browser is not really >>> useable if the package browser is loaded, because menu items are >>> missing and strangely positioned to the point it is not useable >>> anymore. >>> >>> Lukas >>> >>> -- >>> Lukas Renggli >>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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In reply to this post by Stéphane Ducasse
Stef,
I think you are making a very good case for the wiki page on feartures and performance. Some of these tradeoffs are too individual to be properly addressed in a few downloads. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:29 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] New much faster Pharo based on 10379 can you disable the annotation pane too? Could you also load the packageBrowser so that we can pick the other one too? May be put also the highPerformance on I would also remove the optional buttons because they just take space. (You see I can also be dogmatic). I imgaine that the roundcorner could be disable too to gain some cycles too. Stef On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > I've just uploaded a new Pharo image. It is much faster now, but you > won't get the package browsing (only the category browsing). > > http://pharo-project.org/pharo-download > > For all the people who found Pharo slow, please tell me what you think > of this one ! > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: can you disable the annotation pane too? Ok. I tested and is MUCH faster for me. I think this will be a good step. People (and mostly newbies) will be able to just download a image and this will be faster enougth. I also thing that having also the packageBrowser loaded is a good thing so that anyone who want can use it.
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I downloaded it, and used it "randomly" and it considerably faster
than the previous version. Thanks for the improvement. ps: I got some errors while looking for senders, for example looking at the senders of #asArray and clicking on some of the senders. Regards, -- Esteban. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email]> wrote: I downloaded it, and used it "randomly" and it considerably faster Actually, as I understand there was no improvment but identified and removed the slow stuff.
please, describe a bit more the problem and if necessary create a ticket in: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list best, Mariano
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It "feels" snappier. No benchmarks... and only about 1.5 hours worth of use coding/browsing (on the non-web version 09.07.3).
Better. I like it. Thanks Damien, Cam PS: I have never used this browser before (OK, briefly in squeak), so a few icons are not-obvious to me. Category searching seems to work with several key-strokes if typed quickly... or else I am getting lucky. So I guess it is quite satisfactory. On Jul 18, 2009, at 2:55 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: I've just uploaded a new Pharo image. It is much faster now, but you _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Yes it was speedup also (henrik optimisation)
but not as much as we want Stef On Jul 19, 2009, at 1:48 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email] > > wrote: > I downloaded it, and used it "randomly" and it considerably faster > than the previous version. > > Thanks for the improvement. > > Actually, as I understand there was no improvment but identified and > removed the slow stuff. > > > > > ps: I got some errors while looking for senders, for example looking > at the senders of #asArray and clicking on some of the senders. > > please, describe a bit more the problem and if necessary create a > ticket in: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list > > best, > > Mariano > > > > > > Regards, > > -- > Esteban. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Esteban A.
Maringolo<[hidden email]> wrote: > I got some errors while looking for senders, for example looking > at the senders of #asArray and clicking on some of the senders. Could you please open a bug report with detailed information on how to reproduce? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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