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The next decade is a Haskell decade. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_(programming_language) I am working currently on the LSWGVM being able to
run Haskell. As with LSWVST (Smalltalk running on the LSWGVM ) I will
develop a Windows integrated Haskell System. Why Haskell? Haskell is IMHO the most advanced programming
language today. It has several „sub-dialects“ and allows efficiently
parallelising algorithms. Haskell is used by leading software&hardware manufactures
(Microsoft, Intel). I feel that my customers are going away from
Smalltalk & I have promised myself to do something new at the start of
every decade. Haskell is not new to me – but developing a
Windows integrated Haskell running on LSWGVM is new. While I will maintain & develop the LSWGVM
running an entirely different language on it will improve its quality. Frank |
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Hi Frank, does investing your efforts into a Haskell project mean that the DNG project has been finished? I haven’t heard much of the ongoing development lately. I wonder that your customers are moving away from Smalltalk as I expected that by migrating to DNG they will be well equipped with all arguments and technical options to STAY with Smalltalk. But what is definitely lowering Smalltalkers’ loyalty to their “mother tongue” are those actors in the field who are buying into a Smalltalk technology simply to let it die, but not without soaking the users. Thomas From: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Frank Lesser The next decade is a Haskell decade. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haskell_(programming_language) I am working currently on the LSWGVM being able to run Haskell. As with LSWVST (Smalltalk running on the LSWGVM ) I will develop a Windows integrated Haskell System. Why Haskell? Haskell is IMHO the most advanced programming language today. It has several „sub-dialects“ and allows efficiently parallelising algorithms. Haskell is used by leading software&hardware manufactures (Microsoft, Intel). I feel that my customers are going away from Smalltalk & I have promised myself to do something new at the start of every decade. Haskell is not new to me – but developing a Windows integrated Haskell running on LSWGVM is new. While I will maintain & develop the LSWGVM running an entirely different language on it will improve its quality. Frank *** this signature added by listserv *** *** Visit http://www.listserv.dfn.de/archives/vswe-l.html *** *** for archive browsing and VSWE-L membership management *** |
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Hi Thomas,
I want to share my personal point of view on the
topic
and join your call for dialogue on smalltalk
today (and next decade);
my opinions on this email (and any email
on this topic)
are personal and not related with
Lesser-Software nor
any of the projects or efforts I made with
Frank on
building alternative development for
Smalltalk.
I put here some information about DNG because
you
said that you have not information; you and
other
can write emails, call or contact me by skype
( aleReimondo )
asking for any information you
need.
Said that, I feel relaxed and without
commercial corceps :-)
>does investing your efforts into a Haskell
project
> mean that the DNG project has been
finished?
>I havent heard much of the ongoing development
lately.
> I wonder that your customers are moving away
from
> Smalltalk as I expected that by migrating to
DNG
> they will be well equipped with all arguments
and
> technical options to STAY with Smalltalk.
I can´t respond about Frank nor his (new?)
customers
choosing Haskell today.
As I know there is no special interest in moving to
Haskell
nor in any other language. Most companies I know, that
made
investments in VSE in the past and preserve today
their
investment do not help to have alternate solutions to
migration
nor enhancements at "language"/core level.
(why?)
DNG project was designed to be inclusive, it means
to
bring support to multiple semantics/languages; I
was
responsible about the quality of the VM for the
very
first stage of the project and of the invention a few
key
features to enable that support.
As you know, I work using smalltalk, not
assembler,
all what I have implemented was all at that
level;
and important perfomance improvements
exploit
VM features but are implemented at smalltalk
level.
I made all testings of diferent LSW VM versions for
years
and was responsible of the quality of Lesser-Software
VM
investing a lot of resources to point to bugs and testing
at
application and core level. I have written testing
frameworks
that make millons (yes! +1M tests) of tests that
evidenced
failures in most/all smalltalk implementations and
ensure
Lesser-Software VM is free of most errors
and
high quality (according to test results and
application
level tests).
Most of the times, people do not expect
inclusive/complementary
solutions; and vote for segregation (division and fanatism of
their
choosen smalltalk dialect); IMO that make difficult
to
offer something that is inclusive today (people is
trained
to efficiently reject alternatives than accepting/exploiting
diversity).
On one side, I see companies staying in (our
VS)smalltalk
but also I see no companies investing in
alternatives...
in the worse case I see money has been sent
to providers that inhibit develoment in VSE
and
demostrated no interest in our investments
nor
trajectory promoting smalltalk.
>But what is definitely lowering Smalltalkers loyalty
to
> their mother tongue are those actors in the
field
> who are buying into a Smalltalk technology
simply
> to let it die, but not without soaking the
users.
I attached at end of this email some words said by
Eliot,
in Argentina, in an event I have not
participated, because
the organizers offended our Non-Proffit Association
( www.Smalltalking.net ) in the
past.
The words was said in the face of Cincom
employees
and they said nothing to correct the thoughts
nor the feelings of the audience.
The problem is not constrained to bussiness, the
crisis
make people and organizations out of
bussiness ecosystem,
also suffer the actions of employees that
don´t know what to do
to obtain the money they spend.
I think that at this state of the situation it is
important
to join forces and do not gravitate to easy
solutions (e.g.
to have a passive attitude waiting for a
product to buy
without helping development), and of course,
do not
temptate opportunists that will try
to offer patching
services without a real compromise with
our
history.
In the past I tried to promote the fundation of a
local
Joint Venture organization to promote alternate
solution to local companies suffering
problems
developing with smalltalk. I had failed
at that time;
it is a hard time here in Argentina to
promote
joint activities...
IMHO it is a way we can go for a
solution.
In case of companies and people are interested to
start
this way, I will be happy to put my time and
efforts on
organization and promoting of this
enterprise.
Thomas, and others; thank you for promoting
conversations
here about the future with smalltalk,
from our VS perspective.
Cheers,
Ale.
"Cincom is a company where software is going to
die" - Eliot Miranda |
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Hi Alejandro,
as organizer of Smalltalks and member of FAST I have to comment on what you said about Smalltalks. You say: "... in Argentina, in an event I have not participated, because the organizers offended our Non-Proffit Association ( www.Smalltalking.net ) in the past." You know it is not true what you are saying. We never offended Smalltalking, may be you are the one felling offended because we did not do what you wanted, but you are not Smalltalking. We invited you (I personally did it) the first two years to participate and you did not wanted to do it. The first year you made public on the Smalltalking mailing list your thoughts about the conference, thoughts not nice at all, and that made contradictory you participation. The second year you personally decided not to participate. I have all the emails in case it is necessary to show them. So please Alejandro, let's stop saying things that are not true, let's try to add and not to subtract ok?, the Smalltalk community is "small"... we all finally get to know each other and "las mentiras tienen patas cortas". Hernan. |
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