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Adrian Lienhard

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

On Nov 18, 2010, at 22:58 , Stéphane Ducasse wrote:

> Thanks for sharing that with us.
> We will create a separated mailing-list to see how it works.

We can try but I don't think it will work particularly well. Our infrastructure should best support the people that actively work on Pharo so I don't see any problem sending tons of mails to pharo-project@... mailing list if this helps. For users who don't want to see all these details there already is a separate list (pharo-users@...).

An additional list has similar drawbacks as an RSS feed. One is less likely to read it. One cannot reply directly to start a discussion (well, we can reply in this new list, but then it gets messy because we start discussing in two separate lists).

just my 2 cents...

Adrian

Miguel Cobá

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by Stéphane Ducasse

El jue, 18-11-2010 a las 22:58 +0100, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
> We will create a separated mailing-list to see how it works.

-1

I am in favor of having the messages to the pharo-project list, and
don't want to subscribe to other new list. Here is where everyone is by
default. More chances that the issue is watched by someone that can
help.

I just want either:
- to only show the creation and closing of a ticket or
- to show all interaction but with better formatting, like the squeak
diffs.

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laurent laffont

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by Igor Stasenko

I like having issues on mailing-list as I can see what are the current activities.

I would like the status in the subject (new / accepted / fixed /...)

Cheers,

Laurent

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1
i don't read all mails, but at least by seeing in subject, i have an
idea that there are some activity around some issue.

Also, in case if something attracts my attention, where i feel i can
be helpful, i can easy click on message and read it.

In contrast, when all tracker activity is hidden inside issue tracker,
i have no chances to be aware who doing what and
what problem is attacked by people, unless i cc-ed to this issue as well.
'Tracking' tracker by manually inspecting every single issue is time sink.
So, i think couple of extra lines in mails list worth it, because it
helps to people to be aware of what others do.
Of course i'm not happy with it as well.
Most messages are not quite informative , but its up to those who
posting them: make posts more elaborate , so others could understand
what is it about, where the problem etc etc.

On 18 November 2010 19:33, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> +1
>
> Sorry guys this is not optimal but after been against when I see it in squeak, I'm in favor because it
> helps understanding what is happening.
>
> Sorry to be blunt but
> ****YOU**** yes you guys do not look at the bug or bug fixes in general.
>
> So often ME myself and I, have to send email about point from the archive to the mailing-list.
> Often I do not even see that a bug has been posted and YES I have 5 rss feed and I read them all.
>
> What is the last time you read the bug archives to see what is happening there?
> So if you do not read the archive then how can you help? how can we make sure that people are aware?
>
> What is the last time you look at the code of the fixes that got integrated? Because if you do not read
> it how can we do quality control? So if I could I would send the diff of all the package in the mailing-lits as this is done in squeak.
>
> Now what we can do to please some of you so far 4, we could create a mailing-list where such mails would be sent.
> But let us see so far who is really against.
>
> Stef
>
>
>> Remember that most email client support filters. You can easily create one.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Mariano
>
>

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tfleig

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by Stephan Eggermont-3

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello,

I'm not happy to see the feed subscribed to this mailing list.
I often have to use the web interface to this list, and the number
of one-line comments and status changes makes for a very
unpleasant reading experience. In addition it makes it more
difficult to find the interesting discussions. As a workflow,
it also has problems, as reply mails are not added back to the
issue tracker.

Stephan

George Herolyants-3

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

Stef,

After some thinking about it I changed my mind. I agree now that the
initial idea of sending messages from the tracker to this list was not
so bad. And definitely better than having a separate mailing list for
it. You say that that's the pharo developers mailing list after all,
so it's intended for such processes. And I agree with this statement
also.

The only concern I still have is not splitting a discussion between
the mailing list and the tracker. I propose that if someone wants to
answer to the issue, he'd rather do it on the tracker, because this
way his message will appear on both sides: the tracker and the mailing
list, which is good. But the other way, if someone answers to the
issue on the mailing list, it won't appear on the tracker (at least
until google provides such feature) and this is not good.

So you can strike me now from the list of opponents :)

George

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by tfleig

;)

Stef

On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:04 AM, George Herolyants wrote:

> Stef,
>
> After some thinking about it I changed my mind. I agree now that the
> initial idea of sending messages from the tracker to this list was not
> so bad. And definitely better than having a separate mailing list for
> it. You say that that's the pharo developers mailing list after all,
> so it's intended for such processes. And I agree with this statement
> also.
>
> The only concern I still have is not splitting a discussion between
> the mailing list and the tracker. I propose that if someone wants to
> answer to the issue, he'd rather do it on the tracker, because this
> way his message will appear on both sides: the tracker and the mailing
> list, which is good. But the other way, if someone answers to the
> issue on the mailing list, it won't appear on the tracker (at least
> until google provides such feature) and this is not good.
>
> So you can strike me now from the list of opponents :)
>
> George
>

Stéphane Ducasse

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by tfleig

The other mailing-list is created and we can change no time now.
so decide.

Stef
On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:04 AM, George Herolyants wrote:

George Herolyants-3

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

Ok.

+1 to this list.
-1 to the special "bug tracker" list.

George

Tudor Girba

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

+1 to this list.
-1 to the special "bug tracker" list.

Doru

On 20 Nov 2010, at 11:49, George Herolyants wrote:

> Ok.
>
> +1 to this list.
> -1 to the special "bug tracker" list.
>
> George
>

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Miguel Cobá

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by Stéphane Ducasse

El sáb, 20-11-2010 a las 10:29 +0100, Stéphane Ducasse escribió:
> The other mailing-list is created and we can change no time now.
> so decide.

-1 to new list.
+1 to current list

>
> Stef
> On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:04 AM, George Herolyants wrote:
>
> > Stef,
> >
> > After some thinking about it I changed my mind. I agree now that the
> > initial idea of sending messages from the tracker to this list was not
> > so bad. And definitely better than having a separate mailing list for
> > it. You say that that's the pharo developers mailing list after all,
> > so it's intended for such processes. And I agree with this statement
> > also.
> >
> > The only concern I still have is not splitting a discussion between
> > the mailing list and the tracker. I propose that if someone wants to
> > answer to the issue, he'd rather do it on the tracker, because this
> > way his message will appear on both sides: the tracker and the mailing
> > list, which is good. But the other way, if someone answers to the
> > issue on the mailing list, it won't appear on the tracker (at least
> > until google provides such feature) and this is not good.
> >
> > So you can strike me now from the list of opponents :)
> >
> > George
> >
>
>

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Alain Plantec-4

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by George Herolyants-3

Le 20/11/2010 11:49, George Herolyants a écrit :
> Ok.
>
> +1 to this list.
> -1 to the special "bug tracker" list.
it's a dev list so, again

+1 to this list.
-1 to the special "bug tracker" list.

Alain

> George
>
>

laurent laffont

Re: Not happy with the issues feed from Google

In reply to this post by George Herolyants-3

On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 11:49 AM, George Herolyants <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ok.

+1 to this list.
-1 to the special "bug tracker" list.

Same here.

+1 to this list

-1 to the bug tracker list.

Laurent

George