OS X binaries for school

Hi,

Just in case someone on the list has compiled on Mac OS X 10.5, location
independant and could zip up their binaries for download.

At one of the schools I do IT for, I was asked about programming some
time ago and recommended the Squeak Robots book which has got the
students interested and working well.

Then Gwenael's book came out and I showed that to the teacher for the
next step after Squeak Robots. The teacher is really interested but
getting GST onto her OS X notebook is going to take more time than I've
got. So just thought I'd ask in case anyone has OS X 10.5 binaries I can
drop in. The classroom has iMacs.

Thank you
Stephen


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On 02/22/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Woolerton wrote:
> The teacher is really interested but getting GST onto her OS X notebook
> is going to take more time than I've got. So just thought I'd ask in
> case anyone has OS X 10.5 binaries I can drop in. The classroom has iMacs.

I can try.

Paolo


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I can try.
>
> Paolo
>
That is kind of you Paolo.

If it helps, programming is a tiny part of my networking job and I'm
hoping to change that this year to increase the amount of smalltalk
programming. But one advantage of the releases was that I could just
download it and there were some instructions to follow and it just
worked. Whether true or not, my perception is that there is lots of
software to download and install now to get GST and VisualGST working.
It isn't so much the time to compile everything as the time to hunt
through all the list emails to find out what the latest process is. Same
thing as with most open source projects I guess, is that documentation
lags the fun stuff of programming.

No complaints here, but as much as I want to have more time programming
I don't, and I understand it is the same for you, much as you want to
have better documentation if you only have a few minutes, then you'll
write some code.

So yes, if you do find time to get some compiled binaries in a zip file,
that would be awesome. (To work through GST on its own would suffice for
the students if that is all you have time for, i.e. no VisualGST)

Cheers

Stephen


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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Stephen Woolerton wrote:

You're thoughts and concerns - expressed above - are very similar to
100s and perhaps 1000s who are _not_ students, but likewise do _not_
have the time to hunt and scratch for all the bits-n-pieces to make a
toy (but perhaps later on, a tool) work. This is an unfortunate
circumstance for both the language and the potential
converts/users. Mind you, "some assembly required" is OK with me _if_
the pieces go together and fit. If they do not, first I get choked and
try again, then I say "pluck it! I don't need this..." and move on.

BTW, there's an OS X "port" for GST. You install MacPorts first (Google it),
and then do:

port search gst

or

port info gst

When you see what you want, then do:

port install file_name

Having said that, the GST port seems to be broken for certain
functionality. Compiling from source - using git - didn't solve
anything for me. YMMV.

If you get it to compile cleanly, AND are fortunate to have a
completely functional GST, I would be much obliged if you would pass
on to me exactly how you did it. TIA..
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On 02/22/2010 01:50 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
I always used Fink instead of MacPorts.  Maybe that's why it always
worked for me...

Paolo


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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, Paolo Bonzini wrote:

WTF!! Why didn't you say as much when we were going back and forth
trying too fix the issues that were plaguing me? Something as simple
as:

"if you don't already have it, install "Fink" on your system. Then
install the "smalltalk-dev-3.1-7" package from fink with => fink
install smalltalk-dev-3.1-7. It's bullet-proof, Duke!"

Would have been "extra cool"!
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On 02/22/2010 04:04 PM, Duke Normandin wrote:
> WTF!! Why didn't you say as much when we were going back and forth
> trying too fix the issues that were plaguing me? Something as simple
> as:
>
> "if you don't already have it, install "Fink" on your system. Then
> install the "smalltalk-dev-3.1-7" package from fink with =>  fink
> install smalltalk-dev-3.1-7. It's bullet-proof, Duke!"

I meant building from source.  But your issue with libtool was not related.

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begin  quoting Duke Normandin as of Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 05:50:34AM -0700:
[snip]
> Having said that, the GST port seems to be broken for certain
> functionality. Compiling from source - using git - didn't solve
> anything for me. YMMV.
>
> If you get it to compile cleanly, AND are fortunate to have a
> completely functional GST, I would be much obliged if you would pass
> on to me exactly how you did it. TIA..

Last time I did this dance, it worked, aside from bizarre behavior in
the floating-point tests. (By hand, it worked fine, but running the test,
it went off into la-la land. I got busy after that I didn't pursue it.)

It's about time I did an update and tried again. I'll try to use script
at the start, just in case it all goes correctly. :)

-S.


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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010, SJS wrote:

Kinda like Toyota with their accelerator pedals ;)

> It's about time I did an update and tried again. I'll try to use script
> at the start, just in case it all goes correctly. :)

Cool! I appreciated your time and trouble. You would have thought that
OS X would have hit the "Big League" even GNU-Smalltalk to deserve _a
little more_ attention, but apparently not everyone feels the same
way. Maybe it's because Objective-C is too close a competitor to
Smalltalk? Whatever...! Much appreciated...
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