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Hey Seasiders
The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: http://pdxfoscon.org/competition Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I can't attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention Seaside and Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the Seaside camp? Yes, yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very little), but could result in a few heads turned in our direction, no? I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a screencast at some point?! Cheers Kyle [hidden email] _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Yes, a couple of us at GemStone have asked to be included. As you
mention, it is a bit of a narrow scope, with 30 minutes being allowed, but we'll try to represent the Seaside community as well as we can! James Foster On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: > Hey Seasiders > > The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: > > http://pdxfoscon.org/competition > > Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I > can't attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention > Seaside and Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the > Seaside camp? Yes, yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very > little), but could result in a few heads turned in our direction, no? > > I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a > screencast at some point?! > > Cheers > > Kyle > [hidden email] > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Should be doable. You should of course have an html layout before you
go. And have done several test runs. Cheers Philippe 2008/7/16 James Foster <[hidden email]>: > Yes, a couple of us at GemStone have asked to be included. As you mention, > it is a bit of a narrow scope, with 30 minutes being allowed, but we'll try > to represent the Seaside community as well as we can! > > James Foster > > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: > >> Hey Seasiders >> >> The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: >> >> http://pdxfoscon.org/competition >> >> Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I can't >> attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention Seaside and >> Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the Seaside camp? Yes, >> yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very little), but could result in a >> few heads turned in our direction, no? >> >> I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a screencast at >> some point?! >> >> Cheers >> >> Kyle >> [hidden email] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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You are invited to view a sample application (with a link for GS/S
source code) at http://seaside.gemstone.com/seaside/recipes. Source code can also be viewed at http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON.html and you might be able to load my code into Squeak using the following: MCHttpRepository location: 'http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON' user: '' password: '' Keep in mind that I consider myself more of a GemStone/S expert than a Seaside expert and I'd welcome constructive criticism. I'm not sure how much of the source code I can type in 10 or 15 minutes (we are allowed 20 minutes and there will be new requirements held till the start of the event). Any ideas of how I can make it smaller would be especially welcome. James On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > Should be doable. You should of course have an html layout before you > go. And have done several test runs. > > Cheers > Philippe > > 2008/7/16 James Foster <[hidden email]>: >> Yes, a couple of us at GemStone have asked to be included. As you >> mention, >> it is a bit of a narrow scope, with 30 minutes being allowed, but >> we'll try >> to represent the Seaside community as well as we can! >> >> James Foster >> >> >> On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: >> >>> Hey Seasiders >>> >>> The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: >>> >>> http://pdxfoscon.org/competition >>> >>> Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I >>> can't >>> attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention >>> Seaside and >>> Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the Seaside >>> camp? Yes, >>> yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very little), but could >>> result in a >>> few heads turned in our direction, no? >>> >>> I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a >>> screencast at >>> some point?! >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Kyle >>> [hidden email] >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hey James
Good work! I have a few suggestions... * RoR people are impressed by smoke & mirrors. Try to make the entry/ edit forms work as lightboxes. It's a feature of Seaside and should be easy to implement, though not sure how well it behaves with Magritte... anyone? * One nice thing about RoR and Django is that their default styles are very nice. Are you allowed to prepare some styles and have them ready? It looks a bit "raw" without. Simple stuff like setting the font to something nice and getting rid of ugly table borders. 20 minutes is not much time at all... I think they're going to find in practice that most people are unable to get anything too impressive going. The django guys tried to show off how fast it is to develop an app at a recent Portland python UG meeting, and 45 minutes later they were still puzzling over some silly little thing and never got a working app going... Good luck! And post the results to the group after! especially if there's video or screencasts. Cheers Kyle [hidden email] On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:34 PM, James Foster wrote: > You are invited to view a sample application (with a link for GS/S > source code) at http://seaside.gemstone.com/seaside/recipes. Source > code can also be viewed at http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/ > FOSCON.html and you might be able to load my code into Squeak using > the following: > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON' > user: '' > password: '' > > Keep in mind that I consider myself more of a GemStone/S expert than > a Seaside expert and I'd welcome constructive criticism. I'm not > sure how much of the source code I can type in 10 or 15 minutes (we > are allowed 20 minutes and there will be new requirements held till > the start of the event). Any ideas of how I can make it smaller > would be especially welcome. > > James > > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > >> Should be doable. You should of course have an html layout before you >> go. And have done several test runs. >> >> Cheers >> Philippe >> >> 2008/7/16 James Foster <[hidden email]>: >>> Yes, a couple of us at GemStone have asked to be included. As you >>> mention, >>> it is a bit of a narrow scope, with 30 minutes being allowed, but >>> we'll try >>> to represent the Seaside community as well as we can! >>> >>> James Foster >>> >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Seasiders >>>> >>>> The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: >>>> >>>> http://pdxfoscon.org/competition >>>> >>>> Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I >>>> can't >>>> attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention >>>> Seaside and >>>> Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the Seaside >>>> camp? Yes, >>>> yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very little), but could >>>> result in a >>>> few heads turned in our direction, no? >>>> >>>> I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a >>>> screencast at >>>> some point?! >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Kyle >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> seaside mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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- Thumbs up for Magritte and Pier parser
- Autoaccessors of magritte would probably a good idea but I don't know if they work with Gemstone. If not use the Refactoring Browser to generate them. I don't know how eager people are to write accessors. - Speaking of RB, maybe you could introduce some problem an fix it with RB? ;-) - Do you need MACommandColumnEx and MACommand? Could you get away without them even if it makes the code less obvious (not everything about Rails is obvious). Given that the code is not longer. something like: (MACommandColumn new addCommand: [ :item | self view: item ] text: 'Show'; yourself) instead of: (MACommand new callback: [:item | self view: item]; with: 'Show'; yourself) - Are you prepared to make courses first class objects? - Nice looking examples are important. Search a good, nonobstruvise CSS. Ideally you can just wrap a decoration around your root component that takes care of this. Doesn't need to be fancy. Something like YAML or blue print CSS could work. Or steal the Rails CSS or something ;-) URL handling (so messy it deserves its own section) - that's probably the part I would drop first when running short on time - your URL parsing looks a bit hairier than usual - only if you have free time consider playing around with #updateRool: and add to path - storing the path from #initialRequest: in an instance variable is not a good idea Cheers Philippe 2008/7/22 James Foster <[hidden email]>: > You are invited to view a sample application (with a link for GS/S source > code) at http://seaside.gemstone.com/seaside/recipes. Source code can also > be viewed at http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON.html and you might be > able to load my code into Squeak using the following: > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON' > user: '' > password: '' > > Keep in mind that I consider myself more of a GemStone/S expert than a > Seaside expert and I'd welcome constructive criticism. I'm not sure how much > of the source code I can type in 10 or 15 minutes (we are allowed 20 minutes > and there will be new requirements held till the start of the event). Any > ideas of how I can make it smaller would be especially welcome. > > James > > > On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > >> Should be doable. You should of course have an html layout before you >> go. And have done several test runs. >> >> Cheers >> Philippe >> >> 2008/7/16 James Foster <[hidden email]>: >>> >>> Yes, a couple of us at GemStone have asked to be included. As you >>> mention, >>> it is a bit of a narrow scope, with 30 minutes being allowed, but we'll >>> try >>> to represent the Seaside community as well as we can! >>> >>> James Foster >>> >>> >>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Seasiders >>>> >>>> The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: >>>> >>>> http://pdxfoscon.org/competition >>>> >>>> Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I can't >>>> attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention Seaside >>>> and >>>> Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the Seaside camp? >>>> Yes, >>>> yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very little), but could result in >>>> a >>>> few heads turned in our direction, no? >>>> >>>> I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a screencast at >>>> some point?! >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Kyle >>>> [hidden email] >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> seaside mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Philippe,
Thanks for the thorough code review. I've embedded comments below... James On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > - Thumbs up for Magritte and Pier parser > - Autoaccessors of magritte would probably a good idea but I don't > know if they work with Gemstone. If not use the Refactoring Browser to > generate them. I don't know how eager people are to write accessors. I'll be using an IDE that has a menu item that will generate accessors. > - Speaking of RB, maybe you could introduce some problem an fix it > with RB? ;-) The edit-and-fix is certainly something I'd like to demo. With luck I won't have to plan for a problem ;-) > - Do you need MACommandColumnEx and MACommand? Could you get away > without them even if it makes the code less obvious (not everything > about Rails is obvious). Given that the code is not longer. > > something like: > > (MACommandColumn new > addCommand: [ :item | self view: item ] text: 'Show'; > yourself) > > instead of: > > (MACommand new > callback: [:item | self view: item]; > with: 'Show'; > yourself) I think I need these extensions to get the "Are you sure?" JavaScript. I couldn't find a way to get a MACommandCollumn to add the #'onClick:' to the anchor. (In a similar way, I think I need the PRDocumentComponent to render the Wiki markup. It seems like this capability should have been available already but I couldn't find it.) > - Are you prepared to make courses first class objects? My first couple attempts did take that approach. On further reflection, it didn't look necessary from the requirements and it required more typing. > - Nice looking examples are important. Search a good, nonobstruvise > CSS. Ideally you can just wrap a decoration around your root component > that takes care of this. Doesn't need to be fancy. Something like YAML > or blue print CSS could work. Or steal the Rails CSS or something ;-) Yes, we are spending some time today looking for images and styling. > URL handling (so messy it deserves its own section) > - that's probably the part I would drop first when running short on > time I did think I'd put that off till toward the end and let it drop if I run out of time. > - your URL parsing looks a bit hairier than usual Suggestions are welcome! Are there any examples of clean URL parsing? is there a base class I'm not using? > - only if you have free time consider playing around with #updateRool: > and add to path > - storing the path from #initialRequest: in an instance variable is > not a good idea Is there an easy way to get access to it in the render code? I saw it in the initialRequest: method, so took it. If I can defer it to the render code, then I'll move it there. > Cheers > Philippe > > 2008/7/22 James Foster <[hidden email]>: >> You are invited to view a sample application (with a link for GS/S >> source >> code) at http://seaside.gemstone.com/seaside/recipes. Source code >> can also >> be viewed at http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON.html and you >> might be >> able to load my code into Squeak using the following: >> >> MCHttpRepository >> location: 'http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON' >> user: '' >> password: '' >> >> Keep in mind that I consider myself more of a GemStone/S expert >> than a >> Seaside expert and I'd welcome constructive criticism. I'm not sure >> how much >> of the source code I can type in 10 or 15 minutes (we are allowed >> 20 minutes >> and there will be new requirements held till the start of the >> event). Any >> ideas of how I can make it smaller would be especially welcome. >> >> James >> >> >> On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: >> >>> Should be doable. You should of course have an html layout before >>> you >>> go. And have done several test runs. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Philippe >>> >>> 2008/7/16 James Foster <[hidden email]>: >>>> >>>> Yes, a couple of us at GemStone have asked to be included. As you >>>> mention, >>>> it is a bit of a narrow scope, with 30 minutes being allowed, but >>>> we'll >>>> try >>>> to represent the Seaside community as well as we can! >>>> >>>> James Foster >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Seasiders >>>>> >>>>> The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: >>>>> >>>>> http://pdxfoscon.org/competition >>>>> >>>>> Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I >>>>> can't >>>>> attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention >>>>> Seaside >>>>> and >>>>> Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the Seaside >>>>> camp? >>>>> Yes, >>>>> yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very little), but could >>>>> result in >>>>> a >>>>> few heads turned in our direction, no? >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a >>>>> screencast at >>>>> some point?! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Kyle >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> seaside mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> seaside mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: > Hey James > > Good work! I have a few suggestions... > > * RoR people are impressed by smoke & mirrors. Try to make the > entry/edit forms work as lightboxes. It's a feature of Seaside and > should be easy to implement, though not sure how well it behaves > with Magritte... anyone? I'm thinking that the Magritte stuff is overall helpful, but I already am extending it to get some missing features (JavaScript). I'm not sure what I'd do with lightboxes--mostly because I'm not that familiar with them. > * One nice thing about RoR and Django is that their default styles > are very nice. Are you allowed to prepare some styles and have them > ready? It looks a bit "raw" without. Simple stuff like setting the > font to something nice and getting rid of ugly table borders. Yes, we'll spend some time beforehand looking into CSS (though other submissions are welcome!). > 20 minutes is not much time at all... I think they're going to find > in practice that most people are unable to get anything too > impressive going. The django guys tried to show off how fast it is > to develop an app at a recent Portland python UG meeting, and 45 > minutes later they were still puzzling over some silly little thing > and never got a working app going... We'll practice our script and hope to avoid that fate! > Good luck! And post the results to the group after! especially if > there's video or screencasts. > > Cheers > > Kyle > [hidden email] > > On Jul 22, 2008, at 3:34 PM, James Foster wrote: > >> You are invited to view a sample application (with a link for GS/S >> source code) at http://seaside.gemstone.com/seaside/recipes. Source >> code can also be viewed at http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/ >> FOSCON.html and you might be able to load my code into Squeak using >> the following: >> >> MCHttpRepository >> location: 'http://seaside.gemstone.com/ss/FOSCON' >> user: '' >> password: '' >> >> Keep in mind that I consider myself more of a GemStone/S expert >> than a Seaside expert and I'd welcome constructive criticism. I'm >> not sure how much of the source code I can type in 10 or 15 minutes >> (we are allowed 20 minutes and there will be new requirements held >> till the start of the event). Any ideas of how I can make it >> smaller would be especially welcome. >> >> James >> >> >> On Jul 16, 2008, at 9:42 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: >> >>> Should be doable. You should of course have an html layout before >>> you >>> go. And have done several test runs. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Philippe >>> >>> 2008/7/16 James Foster <[hidden email]>: >>>> Yes, a couple of us at GemStone have asked to be included. As you >>>> mention, >>>> it is a bit of a narrow scope, with 30 minutes being allowed, but >>>> we'll try >>>> to represent the Seaside community as well as we can! >>>> >>>> James Foster >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Seasiders >>>>> >>>>> The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: >>>>> >>>>> http://pdxfoscon.org/competition >>>>> >>>>> Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I >>>>> can't >>>>> attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention >>>>> Seaside and >>>>> Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the Seaside >>>>> camp? Yes, >>>>> yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very little), but could >>>>> result in a >>>>> few heads turned in our direction, no? >>>>> >>>>> I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a >>>>> screencast at >>>>> some point?! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Kyle >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> seaside mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> seaside mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi James, I would like to wish you the best of luck. Using Gemstone/S will allow you to concentrate on other parts of the example because you don't have to deal with RDBMS. Next, it seems that the competition caters more to Rails and REST if there's a firm requirement in regards to the URL. Thus, is it really necessary to parse the URL? For example, this is all the possible options for the search form:
option A: no input text, no selection Result: all the items in the list option B: input text, no selection Result: subset of all the items in the list
option C: no input text, a selection Result: subset of all the items in the list option D: input text, a selection Result: subset of all the items in the list Next, here's my translation of the last three bullet points on the contest page:
/receipe/ID equals the Show link /recipes/titles/SUBSTRING or /recipes?titles=SUBSTRING equals one of the options above (i.e. text input and selector) /recipes/course/ID or /recipes?course=ID equals one of the options above (i.e. text input and selector) In short, I'm thinking that the URL parsing is irrelevant because you're, for the most part, interacting with the form. Good luck,
-Conrad On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 1:23 PM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi James, here's a very good article by Ramon Leon and it may be of some assistance to you:
Good luck, -Conrad ps: If you're using a Mac or Mac Pro in the competition, I would recommend using an application like ScreenFlow from http://www.varasoftware.com for producing
the screencast. On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Conrad Taylor <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I've tried to write to the guys organizing the contest to propose to
record a screencast on every machine but dind't find a way to do it. It would be nice that all these knowledge can be shared in this way. I'm doing some RoR work right now, and it is several steps (miles?) behind GLASS, but RoR guys have lot of things already available (geocoding, facebook communication, etc etc) that serve as consolation :( _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Conrad,
I agree that the competition is slanted toward Rails--but since it is being sponsored by the Portland Ruby Brigade that seems only fair. Given the expectations of the hosts and attendees, it seemed reasonable to try to bend Seaside into that sort of application. Some of Seaside's power is that we can do URL parsing if we need to do so. If nothing else, I'd like to avoid an argument about the relative merits of RESTful URLs vs URL rewiring--particularly in this crowd. In any case, I'll probably save those features for the end and if I run out of time I'll fail that part of the test. James On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:34 PM, Conrad Taylor wrote:
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Hi James, being that Portland Ruby Brigade and Gemstone are located in the same state, Gemstone do a similar contest in the future where Gemstone hosts it. However, this time we focus on the content within the browser instead of the content in the address field.
Part One: Each framework developing team will construct an Othello game. Part Two: The constructed Othello games from each framework team will compete against the others
in NCAA Basketball style (i.e. win or loose). Lastly, it would be very interesting to see all the web frameworks do battle. -Conrad
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On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 3:46 PM, James Foster <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Conrad, > I agree that the competition is slanted toward Rails--but since it is being > sponsored by the Portland Ruby Brigade that seems only fair. Given the > expectations of the hosts and attendees, it seemed reasonable to try to bend > Seaside into that sort of application. Some of Seaside's power is that we > can do URL parsing if we need to do so. If nothing else, I'd like to avoid > an argument about the relative merits of RESTful URLs vs URL > rewiring--particularly in this crowd. In any case, I'll probably save those > features for the end and if I run out of time I'll fail that part of the > test. I think trying to emulate Rails is missing the point - this should be an app that plays to the strengths of Seaside and GLASS. If this means it has somewhat different properties (like no RESTful URLs), then that says something interesting about the two frameworks. But building something that looks precisely like a Rails app, only in Seaside, just feels disappointing. One way to play to those strengths would be to have a much richer data model than would be natural in a RDB app. For example, I can picture a hierarchy like: Ingredient VolumeIngredient LiquidIngredient PowderIngredient WeightIngredient UnitIngredient CanIngredient You could get some neat behavior out of this (when doubling recipes, for example), which would be difficult to emulate in Rails. Another way might be to have a step by step "recipe runner" , that takes you through each step of the recipe statefully ("Mix the eggs into the batter. Press [here] when done."). This could be done as a WATask pretty simply. Of course, not having any idea what the specs are going to be, these might not turn out to be appropriate... but if you do end up with extra time, these seem like more interesting ways to spend it. My $0.02, Avi _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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>> - Do you need MACommandColumnEx and MACommand? Could you get away
>> without them even if it makes the code less obvious (not everything >> about Rails is obvious). Given that the code is not longer. >> .... > I think I need these extensions to get the "Are you sure?" JavaScript. I > couldn't find a way to get a MACommandCollumn to add the #'onClick:' to the > anchor. (In a similar way, I think I need the PRDocumentComponent to render > the Wiki markup. It seems like this capability should have been available > already but I couldn't find it.) I see, I should have read more carefully. No, I'm not aware of such functionality. >> - Are you prepared to make courses first class objects? > > My first couple attempts did take that approach. On further reflection, it > didn't look necessary from the requirements and it required more typing. No, what I meant that they say some of the requirements will be announced when the competition starts. This is for example something I would do. >... >> - your URL parsing looks a bit hairier than usual > > Suggestions are welcome! Are there any examples of clean URL parsing? is > there a base class I'm not using? No, not yet :-( but: aRequest accessPath copyFrom: 3 to: aRequest accessPath size - I'm not ware of an #accessPath method in WARequest - why do exclude the first 3 characters? >> - only if you have free time consider playing around with #updateRool: >> and add to path >> - storing the path from #initialRequest: in an instance variable is >> not a good idea > > Is there an easy way to get access to it in the render code? self session currentRequest > I saw it in the > initialRequest: method, so took it. If I can defer it to the render code, > then I'll move it there. The problem is that #initialRequest: is sent only once, that the beginning of the session. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I've edited the following to remove some issues that have been
resolved... On Jul 22, 2008, at 10:03 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: >>> - Are you prepared to make courses first class objects? >> >> My first couple attempts did take that approach. On further >> reflection, it >> didn't look necessary from the requirements and it required more >> typing. > > No, what I meant that they say some of the requirements will be > announced when the competition starts. This is for example something I > would do. I see. Yes, that does seem like an area where they might grow the requirements. Good point! > aRequest accessPath copyFrom: 3 to: aRequest accessPath size > > - I'm not ware of an #accessPath method in WARequest > - why do exclude the first 3 characters? Actually, #accessPath is an array (the path string broken by $/), so this trims off the first two pieces, #('seaside' 'recipes'). >> Is there an easy way to get access to it [currentRequest] in the >> render code? > > self session currentRequest That makes things much cleaner! Thanks. >> I saw it in the >> initialRequest: method, so took it. If I can defer it to the render >> code, >> then I'll move it there. > > The problem is that #initialRequest: is sent only once, that the > beginning of the session. Good point, though it probably works okay here since I'm getting a new session when a RESTful URL is submitted (I think). > Cheers > Philippe Thanks again, James _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi James!
I have downloaded your example app and improved the CCS a little bit! See attachment! If you like i could upload it to your monticello repository. Changes - New CSS - CSS is now optimized for Firefox and Safari - Use lightbox for view action - Patched MASingleOptionDescription to allow sorting ( isSortable ^ true), I am not sure why this is not allowed atm) - Refactored some rendering methods There is an exception if you are using e.g. 'aaa' for the instVar "servings". Seems to be a magritte issue! br Gerhard _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Gerhard,
I've added you as a developer in the Monticello repository. If you could upload your changes that would be great! I do like your CSS very much. Maybe we could solve the 'aaa' for "servings" with some JavaScript that validates the text as containing only digits? Thanks very much, James On Jul 23, 2008, at 2:24 AM, Gerhard Obermann wrote: > Hi James! > > I have downloaded your example app and improved the CCS a little bit! > See attachment! > > If you like i could upload it to your monticello repository. > > Changes > - New CSS > - CSS is now optimized for Firefox and Safari > - Use lightbox for view action > - Patched MASingleOptionDescription to allow sorting ( isSortable ^ > true), I am not sure why this is not allowed atm) > - Refactored some rendering methods > > There is an exception if you are using e.g. 'aaa' for the instVar > "servings". > Seems to be a magritte issue! > > br > Gerhard > > > <foscon.jpg>_______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I'd like to thank all of you for your interest and support as we
prepared for this competition. Now for the report... Overall I'm disappointed with my performance. 20 minutes is just too short a time for building even a trivial application using GLASS. The analogy that comes to mind is this competition (race) was a sprint and we are much better suited to competing in a marathon. There was a point a couple days ago when I told people that we'd do better if we got a beta copy of Cincom's Web Velocity from James Robertson and used it for the competition. I think they (Cincom) are doing an excellent job at aiming at this sort of audience. James Foster On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:46 PM, Kyle Dawkins wrote: > Hey Seasiders > > The RoR folks are running this at OSCON: > > http://pdxfoscon.org/competition > > Probably a good opportunity to show-off what Seaside can do. I > can't attend so I can't volunteer but presumably since they mention > Seaside and Gemstone, there are some people already signed up in the > Seaside camp? Yes, yes, it's a silly contest (and proves very > little), but could result in a few heads turned in our direction, no? > > I'd love to watch this... hopefully someone will provide a > screencast at some point?! > > Cheers > > Kyle > [hidden email] > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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