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Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an
external program from a Windows vm?
Regards, Carlos
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Carlos,
OSProcess appears to be _designed_ to run on
Windows (lots of code for same), but I am not aware that it works there.
The existing gnuplot package uses OSProcess on Linux/Mac and ProcessWrapper on
Windows, and I have done the same thing when I need to run on
Windows.
I have seen no evidence that ProcessWrapper works other
than on Windows; if you find that it does, please make noise about that. I
*think* I like it better than OSProcess, but I do a lot more relevant work on
Linux where I can't use ProcessWrapper.
Bill
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos Crosetti Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:46 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: [Pharo-project] OSProcess Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an
external program from a Windows vm?
Regards, Carlos
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Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the functionality
is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows VM, so for most people this is not a practical solution. FFI is another alternative. Dave On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:53:30AM -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Carlos, > > OSProcess appears to be _designed_ to run on Windows (lots of code for same), but I am not aware that it works there. The existing gnuplot package uses OSProcess on Linux/Mac and ProcessWrapper on Windows, and I have done the same thing when I need to run on Windows. > > I have seen no evidence that ProcessWrapper works other than on Windows; if you find that it does, please make noise about that. I *think* I like it better than OSProcess, but I do a lot more relevant work on Linux where I can't use ProcessWrapper. > > Bill > > > > ________________________________ > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos Crosetti > Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:46 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Pharo-project] OSProcess > > > Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an external program from a Windows vm? > > Regards, Carlos > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Thanks, please can you provide pointers on how to launch a external process
with Alien? Regards, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "David T. Lewis" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] OSProcess > Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the > functionality > is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows > VM, so > for most people this is not a practical solution. FFI is another > alternative. > > Dave > > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:53:30AM -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> Carlos, >> >> OSProcess appears to be _designed_ to run on Windows (lots of code for >> same), but I am not aware that it works there. The existing gnuplot >> package uses OSProcess on Linux/Mac and ProcessWrapper on Windows, and I >> have done the same thing when I need to run on Windows. >> >> I have seen no evidence that ProcessWrapper works other than on Windows; >> if you find that it does, please make noise about that. I *think* I like >> it better than OSProcess, but I do a lot more relevant work on Linux >> where I can't use ProcessWrapper. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos >> Crosetti >> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:46 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Pharo-project] OSProcess >> >> >> Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an external program from a >> Windows vm? >> >> Regards, Carlos > >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Apologies, I was referring to the traditional FFI and forgot about the change
to Alien. I'm sure it can be done similarly, perhaps someone else can give an example. Otherwise perhaps ProcessWrapper as Bill Schwab suggested. Dave On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 02:48:37PM -0300, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > Thanks, please can you provide pointers on how to launch a external process > with Alien? > > Regards, Carlos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David T. Lewis" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] OSProcess > > > > Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the > > functionality > > is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows > > VM, so > > for most people this is not a practical solution. FFI is another > > alternative. > > > > Dave > > > > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:53:30AM -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Carlos, > >> > >> OSProcess appears to be _designed_ to run on Windows (lots of code for > >> same), but I am not aware that it works there. The existing gnuplot > >> package uses OSProcess on Linux/Mac and ProcessWrapper on Windows, and I > >> have done the same thing when I need to run on Windows. > >> > >> I have seen no evidence that ProcessWrapper works other than on Windows; > >> if you find that it does, please make noise about that. I *think* I like > >> it better than OSProcess, but I do a lot more relevant work on Linux > >> where I can't use ProcessWrapper. > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: [hidden email] > >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos > >> Crosetti > >> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:46 PM > >> To: [hidden email] > >> Subject: [Pharo-project] OSProcess > >> > >> > >> Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an external program from a > >> Windows vm? > >> > >> Regards, Carlos > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pharo-project mailing list > >> [hidden email] > >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > [hidden email] > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Carlos, all,
Is Alien ready for real use? I am getting closer to being able to produce a Pharo version of my GSL wrapper and was today reminded of the fairly extensive use of callbacks in the library - that makes sense, because much of it is algorithms that need to accept user-provided code. My reading suggess that Alien is the way to go. Is it? Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos Crosetti Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:49 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] OSProcess Thanks, please can you provide pointers on how to launch a external process with Alien? Regards, Carlos ----- Original Message ----- From: "David T. Lewis" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] OSProcess > Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the > functionality > is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows > VM, so > for most people this is not a practical solution. FFI is another > alternative. > > Dave > > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:53:30AM -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> Carlos, >> >> OSProcess appears to be _designed_ to run on Windows (lots of code for >> same), but I am not aware that it works there. The existing gnuplot >> package uses OSProcess on Linux/Mac and ProcessWrapper on Windows, and I >> have done the same thing when I need to run on Windows. >> >> I have seen no evidence that ProcessWrapper works other than on Windows; >> if you find that it does, please make noise about that. I *think* I like >> it better than OSProcess, but I do a lot more relevant work on Linux >> where I can't use ProcessWrapper. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos >> Crosetti >> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:46 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Pharo-project] OSProcess >> >> >> Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an external program from a >> Windows vm? >> >> Regards, Carlos > >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:26 PM, David T. Lewis wrote: > Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the functionality > is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows VM, so > for most people this is not a practical solution. do you know why? Because this would be cool. > FFI is another alternative. > > Dave > > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:53:30AM -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> Carlos, >> >> OSProcess appears to be _designed_ to run on Windows (lots of code for same), but I am not aware that it works there. The existing gnuplot package uses OSProcess on Linux/Mac and ProcessWrapper on Windows, and I have done the same thing when I need to run on Windows. >> >> I have seen no evidence that ProcessWrapper works other than on Windows; if you find that it does, please make noise about that. I *think* I like it better than OSProcess, but I do a lot more relevant work on Linux where I can't use ProcessWrapper. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos Crosetti >> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:46 PM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Pharo-project] OSProcess >> >> >> Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an external program from a Windows vm? >> >> Regards, Carlos > >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Carlos, all, > > Is Alien ready for real use? I am getting closer to being able to produce a Pharo version of my GSL wrapper and was today reminded of the fairly extensive use of callbacks in the library - that makes sense, because much of it is algorithms that need to accept user-provided code. > > My reading suggess that Alien is the way to go. Is it? I know fernando uses it intensively for opengl calls on mac. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos Crosetti > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:49 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] OSProcess > > Thanks, please can you provide pointers on how to launch a external process with Alien? > > Regards, Carlos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David T. Lewis" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] OSProcess > > >> Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the >> functionality >> is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows >> VM, so >> for most people this is not a practical solution. FFI is another >> alternative. >> >> Dave >> >> On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:53:30AM -0500, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> Carlos, >>> >>> OSProcess appears to be _designed_ to run on Windows (lots of code for >>> same), but I am not aware that it works there. The existing gnuplot >>> package uses OSProcess on Linux/Mac and ProcessWrapper on Windows, and I >>> have done the same thing when I need to run on Windows. >>> >>> I have seen no evidence that ProcessWrapper works other than on Windows; >>> if you find that it does, please make noise about that. I *think* I like >>> it better than OSProcess, but I do a lot more relevant work on Linux >>> where I can't use ProcessWrapper. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: [hidden email] >>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Carlos >>> Crosetti >>> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:46 PM >>> To: [hidden email] >>> Subject: [Pharo-project] OSProcess >>> >>> >>> Hi, is rhe OSProcess designed to call out an external program from a >>> Windows vm? >>> >>> Regards, Carlos >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:07:17PM +0100, St?phane Ducasse wrote:
> > On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:26 PM, David T. Lewis wrote: > > > Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the functionality > > is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows VM, so > > for most people this is not a practical solution. > > do you know why? > Because this would be cool. Well, the functionality on Windows was always limited, and people could always use FFI to start external programs, so I think it has not seemed very important. I wrote OSProcess with a goal of having it work on multiple operating systems, even though it is doing very platform-specific things. The design worked well and has been fairly successful, but I have to admit that I do not personally use Windows very much, and I have not put much effort into making the Windows version more useful. It's just one of those projects that's been sitting on my to-do list for way too long ;-) Dave _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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I asked because I'm using for coral. But people will see. Stef On Jan 9, 2010, at 10:18 PM, David T. Lewis wrote: > On Sat, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:07:17PM +0100, St?phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:26 PM, David T. Lewis wrote: >> >>> Yes, OSProcess is designed to work on Windows also. However, the functionality >>> is limited on Windows and the plugin is not distributed with the Windows VM, so >>> for most people this is not a practical solution. >> >> do you know why? >> Because this would be cool. > > Well, the functionality on Windows was always limited, and people could > always use FFI to start external programs, so I think it has not seemed > very important. > > I wrote OSProcess with a goal of having it work on multiple operating > systems, even though it is doing very platform-specific things. The > design worked well and has been fairly successful, but I have to admit > that I do not personally use Windows very much, and I have not put > much effort into making the Windows version more useful. It's just > one of those projects that's been sitting on my to-do list for way > too long ;-) > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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