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Paul Caplat

[OSX] Leopard mess ?

Hi,
I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed" error (related to the visualization of a window).
Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment of my parcel ?

thanks

Paul

Roger Whitney

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

> Hi,
> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
> error (related to the visualization of a window).
> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
> of my parcel ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul

----
Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science
[hidden email] San Diego State University
http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720

Andre Schnoor

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

I'm having no problems so far on PPC with 7.5.

But on a client's Intel machine it seems there are issues with NBAPI
(foreign thread callback thunks, async DLLCC calls). This however is a
very vague first guess only. I'm currently investigating this more deeply.

If anyone also experiences strange lockups with NBAPI, please let me know.

Andre

Roger Whitney wrote:

> I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems one
> will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be useful.
> Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and parcel are
> you using? This would help people confirm your problem.
>
> On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
>> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
>> error (related to the visualization of a window).
>> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment of
>> my parcel ?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Paul
>
> ----
> Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science
> [hidden email] San Diego State University
> http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720
>

Henrik Sperre Johansen

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

Experiencing the same myself when loading packages from store, can´t
say its because the upgrade for sure since I only ran VW under Windows
before.

Happened 2 times to 2 different parcels now (one of which had loaded
fine when the other blew up), so I don´t think its package/parcel
specific.

Attached is error log from one of those, and machine specs (Intel C2D
Macbook pro) for those interested.

Henry

On Nov 2, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Andre Schnoor wrote:

> I'm having no problems so far on PPC with 7.5.
>
> But on a client's Intel machine it seems there are issues with NBAPI
> (foreign thread callback thunks, async DLLCC calls). This however is
> a very vague first guess only. I'm currently investigating this more
> deeply.
>
> If anyone also experiences strange lockups with NBAPI, please let me
> know.
>
> Andre
>
>
> Roger Whitney wrote:
>> I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
>> one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
>> useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
>> parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
>>> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
>>> error (related to the visualization of a window).
>>> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
>>> of my parcel ?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> ----
>> Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science
>> [hidden email] San Diego State University
>> http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720
>>
>
>

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Paul Caplat

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

In reply to this post by Roger Whitney

So. Intel dual-core processor, VWnc 7.4.
I work on a developped parcel called CORMAS.
(and I'm not a developper !)

thanks

2007/11/2, Roger Whitney <[hidden email]>:

I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

> Hi,
> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
> error (related to the visualization of a window).
> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
> of my parcel ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul

----
Roger Whitney              Department of Computer Science
[hidden email]        San Diego State University
http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/    San Diego, CA 92182-7720

--
           ,,,
         (o o)
--oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------

Dr Paul Caplat
postdoctoral fellow
Departments of Environmental Biology / Maths & Stats
University of Guelph
Guelph On, N1G2W1
Canada
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~pcaplat

   .oooO  Oooo.
===(   )==(   )===========
        \ (     ) /
         \_)  (_/

Randy Siler-2

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

I had been successfully using the X11 version of the Mac Intel VM 741d until I upgraded to Leopard. Now when I try to start it up, it bounces once and then just stops as if I had never tried to launch it. If alternatively I double-click the image it gets to the splash screen and then it all goes away.

On Nov 5, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

So. Intel dual-core processor, VWnc 7.4.
I work on a developped parcel called CORMAS.
(and I'm not a developper !)

thanks

2007/11/2, Roger Whitney <[hidden email]>:
I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

> Hi,
> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
> error (related to the visualization of a window).
> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
> of my parcel ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul

----
Roger Whitney              Department of Computer Science
[hidden email]        San Diego State University
http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/    San Diego, CA 92182-7720

--
           ,,,
         (o o)
--oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------

Dr Paul Caplat
postdoctoral fellow
Departments of Environmental Biology / Maths & Stats
University of Guelph
Guelph On, N1G2W1
Canada
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~pcaplat

   .oooO  Oooo.
===(   )==(   )===========
        \ (     ) /
         \_)  (_/

Paul Caplat

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

Randy, I had this issue too, but I found that starting X11 before starting VM 741 made it work (the Tiger X11 version just lauched itself when I double-cliked on the image).
hope that helps

2007/11/5, Randy Siler <[hidden email]>:

I had been successfully using the X11 version of the Mac Intel VM 741d until I upgraded to Leopard. Now when I try to start it up, it bounces once and then just stops as if I had never tried to launch it. If alternatively I double-click the image it gets to the splash screen and then it all goes away.

On Nov 5, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

So. Intel dual-core processor, VWnc 7.4.
I work on a developped parcel called CORMAS.
(and I'm not a developper !)

thanks

2007/11/2, Roger Whitney < [hidden email]>:
I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

> Hi,
> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
> error (related to the visualization of a window).
> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
> of my parcel ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul

----
Roger Whitney              Department of Computer Science
[hidden email]        San Diego State University
<a href="http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/    San Diego, CA 92182-7720

--
           ,,,
         (o o)
--oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------

Dr Paul Caplat
postdoctoral fellow
Departments of Environmental Biology / Maths & Stats
University of Guelph
Guelph On, N1G2W1
Canada
<a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/%7Epcaplat" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.uoguelph.ca/~pcaplat

   .oooO  Oooo.
===(   )==(   )===========
        \ (     ) /
         \_)  (_/

Mike Hales

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

In reply to this post by Randy Siler-2

I backed up my tiger installation, installed leopard fresh, then used migration assistant to move all my applications and settings over. X11 did not work, so I installed it from the leopard dvd, then it worked just fine. My vw7.5 runs fine under X11 and under native vms. I launch the X11 vm and image (I don't usually use the aqua vm) from a shell script:

#!/Bin/csh

setenv VISUALWORKS /Users/mike/vw7.5

cd /Users/mike/vw7.5/image

/Users/mike/vw7.5/bin/macx86x11/visual.app/Contents/MacOS/vwmacx86x11gui /Users/mike/vw7.5/image/visual.im

Under X11 my opentalk, cairo and pango stuff all works without drama.

Mike

On Nov 5, 2007, at 2:30 PM, Randy Siler wrote:

I had been successfully using the X11 version of the Mac Intel VM 741d until I upgraded to Leopard. Now when I try to start it up, it bounces once and then just stops as if I had never tried to launch it. If alternatively I double-click the image it gets to the splash screen and then it all goes away.
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On Nov 5, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

So. Intel dual-core processor, VWnc 7.4.
I work on a developped parcel called CORMAS.
(and I'm not a developper !)

thanks

2007/11/2, Roger Whitney <[hidden email]>:
I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

> Hi,
> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
> error (related to the visualization of a window).
> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
> of my parcel ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul

----
Roger Whitney              Department of Computer Science
[hidden email]        San Diego State University
http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/    San Diego, CA 92182-7720

--
           ,,,
         (o o)
--oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------

Dr Paul Caplat
postdoctoral fellow
Departments of Environmental Biology / Maths & Stats
University of Guelph
Guelph On, N1G2W1
Canada
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~pcaplat

   .oooO  Oooo.
===(   )==(   )===========
        \ (     ) /
         \_)  (_/

Randy Siler-2

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

In reply to this post by Paul Caplat

Thanks Paul and Mike,

It didn't work at first but did after I restarted.

On Nov 5, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Paul Caplat wrote:

Randy, I had this issue too, but I found that starting X11 before starting VM 741 made it work (the Tiger X11 version just lauched itself when I double-cliked on the image).
hope that helps

2007/11/5, Randy Siler <[hidden email]>:

I had been successfully using the X11 version of the Mac Intel VM 741d until I upgraded to Leopard. Now when I try to start it up, it bounces once and then just stops as if I had never tried to launch it. If alternatively I double-click the image it gets to the splash screen and then it all goes away.
<pastedGraphic.png>
On Nov 5, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

So. Intel dual-core processor, VWnc 7.4.
I work on a developped parcel called CORMAS.
(and I'm not a developper !)

thanks

2007/11/2, Roger Whitney < [hidden email]>:
I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

> Hi,
> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
> error (related to the visualization of a window).
> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
> of my parcel ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul

----
Roger Whitney              Department of Computer Science
[hidden email]        San Diego State University
<a href="http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/    San Diego, CA 92182-7720

--
           ,,,
         (o o)
--oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------

Dr Paul Caplat
postdoctoral fellow
Departments of Environmental Biology / Maths & Stats
University of Guelph
Guelph On, N1G2W1
Canada
<a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/%7Epcaplat" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.uoguelph.ca/~pcaplat

   .oooO  Oooo.
===(   )==(   )===========
        \ (     ) /
         \_)  (_/

--
           ,,,
         (o o)
--oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------

Dr Paul Caplat
postdoctoral fellow
Departments of Environmental Biology / Maths & Stats
University of Guelph
Guelph On, N1G2W1
Canada
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~pcaplat

   .oooO  Oooo.
===(   )==(   )===========
        \ (     ) /
         \_)  (_/

Coen De Roover

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

In reply to this post by Randy Siler-2

Hi,

It seems Apple made some drastic changes to its X11 in Leopard -- the only information I found is at: http://lists.apple.com/archives/X11-users/2007/Oct/msg00065.html

If everything appears broken, make sure you never ever set the DISPLAY environment variable anywhere. In Leopard, this variable is set automatically to something like /tmp/launch-r5magK/:0

VisualWorks users were in the past adviced to put an environment.plist file in ~/.MacOSX containing a definition of this variable. This now has to be removed if you want to continue X11-Smalltalking under Leopard :)

VW can then be dragged in the dock and X11 will start automatically once clicked.

Groetjes,
Coen

On 05 Nov 2007, at 22:30, Randy Siler wrote:

I had been successfully using the X11 version of the Mac Intel VM 741d until I upgraded to Leopard. Now when I try to start it up, it bounces once and then just stops as if I had never tried to launch it. If alternatively I double-click the image it gets to the splash screen and then it all goes away.
<pastedGraphic.png>
On Nov 5, 2007, at 6:34 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

So. Intel dual-core processor, VWnc 7.4.
I work on a developped parcel called CORMAS.
(and I'm not a developper !)

thanks

2007/11/2, Roger Whitney <[hidden email]>:
I suspect that a number of people would like to know what problems
one will have running VW on Leopard. More information would be
useful. Which processor (PPC, Intel), version of VWnc, which VM and
parcel are you using? This would help people confirm your problem.

On Nov 2, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Paul Caplat wrote:

> Hi,
> I upgraded my osx from Tiger to Leopard and now the parcel I used
> with VWNC doesn't seem to work anymore. I get a "primitive failed"
> error (related to the visualization of a window).
> Is there a causal relationship between the OS and the functionment
> of my parcel ?
>
> thanks
>
> Paul

----
Roger Whitney              Department of Computer Science
[hidden email]        San Diego State University
http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/    San Diego, CA 92182-7720

--
           ,,,
         (o o)
--oOO--(_)--OOo----------------------------

Dr Paul Caplat
postdoctoral fellow
Departments of Environmental Biology / Maths & Stats
University of Guelph
Guelph On, N1G2W1
Canada
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~pcaplat

   .oooO  Oooo.
===(   )==(   )===========
        \ (     ) /
         \_)  (_/

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Vladimir Pogorelenko

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

In reply to this post by Henrik Sperre Johansen

Henrik Johansen-3 wrote

Experiencing the same myself when loading packages from store, can´t
say its because the upgrade for sure since I only ran VW under Windows
before.

Happened 2 times to 2 different parcels now (one of which had loaded
fine when the other blew up), so I don´t think its package/parcel
specific.

Attached is error log from one of those, and machine specs (Intel C2D
Macbook pro) for those interested.

I have the same problem and catch similar error log while publishing Base VisualWorks Bundle.

Pavel Perikov

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

I have the piece of advice for all the people experienced weird
behavior under the Leopard: exclude your images _and_ change files
from Time Machine. I failed to verify it but it seems that it could be
file corruption during Time Machine backups. Today i had VisualWorks
crashed when i accepted the change (not the first time). The crash
moment is one second late in logs from one of backupd messages. Change
file is corrupt as well as the image file (attempt to load it causes
the exception in visual works somewhere in incGC i think).

The above is just a guess but you may want to give it a try. If the
idea makes at least some sense the most dangerous moments are loading
packages from store (massive updates to change files) and so on.

Pavel.

Vladimir Pogorelenko

Re: [OSX] Leopard mess ?

05.12.2007, в 15:25, Pavel Perikov:

> I have the piece of advice for all the people experienced weird
> behavior under the Leopard: exclude your images _and_ change files
> from Time Machine. I failed to verify it but it seems that it could
> be file corruption during Time Machine backups. Today i had
> VisualWorks crashed when i accepted the change (not the first time).
> The crash moment is one second late in logs from one of backupd
> messages. Change file is corrupt as well as the image file (attempt
> to load it causes the exception in visual works somewhere in incGC i
> think).
>
> The above is just a guess but you may want to give it a try. If the
> idea makes at least some sense the most dangerous moments are
> loading packages from store (massive updates to change files) and so
> on.
>
> Pavel.
>

My Time Machine is switched off. So I think it is not the main reason
of crashes.