This is a bit off topic but as there were some mails about relational persistence in another threads, I tough It could be useful for someone.
After a continuous work since January 08, we are very glad to announce our first stable version of SqueakDBX. For those who don't know what this is about, the aim of this project is to build an OpenDBX (http://www.linuxnetworks.de/doc/index.php/OpenDBX/) wrapper which will allow users to perform relational database operations (DDL, DML and SQL) through a truly open source library. Through this feature, the squeak community will hopefully be able to interact with major database engines, such as Oracle and SQL Server, besides those which are open source, like PostgreSQL, MySQL or Sqlite. Moreover, by integrating this with GLORP (http://www.glorp.org/), will allow us to generate a complete and open source solution to relational data base access.
reeThere are several approaches to persistence in Squeak, some very interesting: OODB like Gemstone and magma, image, CouchDB or TokyoT/C, and so on. All of this options get sense if you can actually decide the way you will persist your objects. However, this is not something that happens very frequently. FREQUENTLY, the client (the one who pays you for making the software) requires you to use a particular persistence strategy (RDBMS). Not only that, but also a database in particular (like Oracle, MS SQL, and so on). They have lots of reasons: they already have license for it, they have support and companies for it, they know SQL, they want to do selects, legacy systems, and so on. But Squeak only provides drivers for MySQL and PostgreSQL natively, so... what would you do in the rest of the cases? move to another language? OK, we don't. We want to program systems in Squeak. If you know about SqueakDBX you can just see changelog here: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6109; If you don't, you should continue reading ;) SqueakDBX features: -Cross-platform support: Linux, Windows (using MinGW) and Mac. See http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6108 Full documentation, installation and getting started instructions can be found at wiki page: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 . We spent a lot of time in it. It has all the information you may need and is in continuos development. Benchmarks: We have a lot of SqueakDBX benchmarks and also some for native squeak drivers (PostgreSQL and MySQL) and SqueakDBX seems to be faster than both of them. You can read more here: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6063 Packages can be installed from Universe (3.10) or SqueakMap. Current
version is 1.0. Sources can be download from SqueakSource
http://www.squeaksource.com/SqueakDBX (it requires FFI installed). Remember that you can compile OpenDBX by yourself or use precompiled binaries. For more information please read: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6129. GLORP integration: Actually, this may include two parts: 1) The integration of GLORP with squeak is completely hardcoded with
PostgreSQL native driver. Because of this, first we will do a refactor
in GLORP in order to enable it to support different drivers. We will
create a PostgreSQL driver with the things that GLORP already has. We
invited Alan Night to have dinner with us when he came to Argentina. We
told him our ideas and discuss for a while till we got a first design
of this refactor. We have already started this part. The last squeak port of GLORP is very old and there is nobody to do
it. A friend of us, Diogenes Moreira, has accepted this job, so, thanks
to him, we hope to have latest GLORP releases in Squeak.
-Give us opinions, comments, ideas, new features, complaints and so on. If you try SqueakDBX and you write something somewhere like a blog, let us know. We have this link: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6131 where we put useful links for all the people. Special thanks to: -ESUG, for supporting us through Summer of Talk 08; -To Norbert (author of openDBX) for his help and to all the people who tested it and help us. Cheers, SqueakDBX team _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck
<[hidden email]> wrote: > This is a bit off topic but as there were some mails about relational > persistence in another threads, I tough It could be useful for someone. Thank you for announcing this release, this is definitely not OT. I think it is very important for open-source projects like Pharo, Squeak and Seaside to have the access to relational databases like Oracle. Although when having a free choice I would rather use PostgreSQL (or no relational database at all), but sometimes customers explicitly ask to integrate or use an existing database. If the same driver can be used for various types, the better. I will definitely look at SqueakDBX. Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks for your nice words. That's exactly why we did SqueakDBX. It's nice to see that other people get the idea. Seaside give Smalltalk a big push into the real enterprise applications. For a long time Smalltalk was used for several purposes like research, simulation, education, and so on. We also want to give a little push in the persistence aspect. Greetings, Mariano
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2009/4/20 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>:
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> This is a bit off topic but as there were some mails about relational >> persistence in another threads, I tough It could be useful for someone. > > Thank you for announcing this release, this is definitely not OT. I > think it is very important for open-source projects like Pharo, Squeak > and Seaside to have the access to relational databases like Oracle. Agreed. Oracle support has already been explicitly asked for. Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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This is why ESUG sponsored this work :)
Stef On Apr 20, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> This is a bit off topic but as there were some mails about relational >> persistence in another threads, I tough It could be useful for >> someone. > > Thank you for announcing this release, this is definitely not OT. I > think it is very important for open-source projects like Pharo, Squeak > and Seaside to have the access to relational databases like Oracle. > Although when having a free choice I would rather use PostgreSQL (or > no relational database at all), but sometimes customers explicitly ask > to integrate or use an existing database. If the same driver can be > used for various types, the better. I will definitely look at > SqueakDBX. > > Cheers, > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 3:47 AM, Philippe Marschall <[hidden email]> wrote: 2009/4/20 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>: And now that oracle buys Sun (mysql) hahaha.
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