[OT] How this bring Squeak closer to iPad ?

> On 03.08.2010, at 18:02, Andreas Raab wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/2010 6:04 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>> http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/federal-government-to-apple-jailbreak-this-iphone/4506
>>
>> Yup, if you have an iPhone/iPad check out http://www.jailbreakme.com/
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   - Andreas
>
> IMHO nothing much has changed. Jail-breaking will still void your warranty.
>
> Anyhow, people previously reported success installing and running the Etoys ipa on a jail-broken iPad:
>
> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/

> On 03/08/10 23:44, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> On 03.08.2010, at 18:02, Andreas Raab wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/3/2010 6:04 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>> http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/federal-government-to-apple-jailbreak-this-iphone/4506
>>>
>>> Yup, if you have an iPhone/iPad check out http://www.jailbreakme.com/
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>  - Andreas
>>
>> IMHO nothing much has changed. Jail-breaking will still void your warranty.
>>
>> Anyhow, people previously reported success installing and running the Etoys ipa on a jail-broken iPad:
>>
>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/
>
> Yes it works for me ;-) Thank you for the great job.

> On 05.08.2010, at 05:16, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>
>> On 03/08/10 23:44, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>> On 03.08.2010, at 18:02, Andreas Raab wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2010 6:04 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>>> http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/federal-government-to-apple-jailbreak-this-iphone/4506
>>>>
>>>> Yup, if you have an iPhone/iPad check out http://www.jailbreakme.com/
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>   - Andreas
>>>
>>> IMHO nothing much has changed. Jail-breaking will still void your warranty.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, people previously reported success installing and running the Etoys ipa on a jail-broken iPad:
>>>
>>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/
>>
>> Yes it works for me ;-) Thank you for the great job.
>
> You're welcome!
>
> If someone is interested to help developing/beta-testing Etoys on the iPad, I will sign the app so it runs on their (non-jailbroken) iPad.

> Also, if someone just wants to know how it feels to use Squeak on a touch screen, please download my touch emulator image. Should work on all platforms:
>
> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/etoys-touch-100620.zip
>
> I'd be interested in feedback if this works on Windows and Linux, too - you should get a huge hand instead of a mouse pointer (and tap the About flap to try some preferences).
>
>> Bert, how could i change the image provided in the ipa file ?
>
> If you are just interested in accessing the Smalltalk tools, tap the About flap and disable the "etoys-friendly" preference. Then you get the regular world menu when tapping the background, and you can jump to the top-level project which has some tools open already (this is an Etoys-4.1alpha developer image).
>
> To use a different image, it would be best to compile your own application:
>
> http://isqueak.org/
>
> And the ipa is just a zip file. Replacing the image in the zip might work.

> On 05/08/10 15:03, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> On 05.08.2010, at 05:16, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/08/10 23:44, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>> On 03.08.2010, at 18:02, Andreas Raab wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/3/2010 6:04 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/federal-government-to-apple-jailbreak-this-iphone/4506
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, if you have an iPhone/iPad check out http://www.jailbreakme.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>  - Andreas
>>>>
>>>> IMHO nothing much has changed. Jail-breaking will still void your warranty.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, people previously reported success installing and running the Etoys ipa on a jail-broken iPad:
>>>>
>>>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/
>>>
>>> Yes it works for me ;-) Thank you for the great job.
>>
>> You're welcome!
>>
>> If someone is interested to help developing/beta-testing Etoys on the iPad, I will sign the app so it runs on their (non-jailbroken) iPad.
>
> Hum, i already jailbreak my ipad ... If you sign the app, it will be much easier to use for people who don't want to jailbreak their machine i guess.

>> Also, if someone just wants to know how it feels to use Squeak on a touch screen, please download my touch emulator image. Should work on all platforms:
>>
>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/etoys-touch-100620.zip
>>
>> I'd be interested in feedback if this works on Windows and Linux, too - you should get a huge hand instead of a mouse pointer (and tap the About flap to try some preferences).
>>
>>> Bert, how could i change the image provided in the ipa file ?
>>
>> If you are just interested in accessing the Smalltalk tools, tap the About flap and disable the "etoys-friendly" preference. Then you get the regular world menu when tapping the background, and you can jump to the top-level project which has some tools open already (this is an Etoys-4.1alpha developer image).
>>
>> To use a different image, it would be best to compile your own application:
>>
>> http://isqueak.org/
>>
>> And the ipa is just a zip file. Replacing the image in the zip might work.
>
> Yes, i just discover that .ipa are .zip file in fact.
> Does the VM provided in your ipa file support block closure ?

> On 05/08/10 15:03, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>> On 05.08.2010, at 05:16, Serge Stinckwich wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/08/10 23:44, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
>>>> On 03.08.2010, at 18:02, Andreas Raab wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/3/2010 6:04 AM, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/federal-government-to-apple-jailbreak-this-iphone/4506
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, if you have an iPhone/iPad check out http://www.jailbreakme.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>   - Andreas
>>>>
>>>> IMHO nothing much has changed. Jail-breaking will still void your
>>>> warranty.
>>>>
>>>> Anyhow, people previously reported success installing and running the
>>>> Etoys ipa on a jail-broken iPad:
>>>>
>>>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/
>>>
>>> Yes it works for me ;-) Thank you for the great job.
>>
>> You're welcome!
>>
>> If someone is interested to help developing/beta-testing Etoys on the
>> iPad, I will sign the app so it runs on their (non-jailbroken) iPad.
>
> Hum, i already jailbreak my ipad ... If you sign the app, it will be
> much easier to use for people who don't want to jailbreak their machine
> i guess.
>
>> Also, if someone just wants to know how it feels to use Squeak on a touch
>> screen, please download my touch emulator image. Should work on all
>> platforms:
>>
>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/etoys-touch-100620.zip
>>
>> I'd be interested in feedback if this works on Windows and Linux, too -
>> you should get a huge hand instead of a mouse pointer (and tap the About
>> flap to try some preferences).
>>
>>> Bert, how could i change the image provided in the ipa file ?
>>
>> If you are just interested in accessing the Smalltalk tools, tap the About
>> flap and disable the "etoys-friendly" preference. Then you get the regular
>> world menu when tapping the background, and you can jump to the top-level
>> project which has some tools open already (this is an Etoys-4.1alpha
>> developer image).
>>
>> To use a different image, it would be best to compile your own
>> application:
>>
>> http://isqueak.org/
>>
>> And the ipa is just a zip file. Replacing the image in the zip might work.
>
> Yes, i just discover that .ipa are .zip file in fact.
> Does the VM provided in your ipa file support block closure ?
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Serge Stinckwich
> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam
> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
> http://doesnotunderstand.org/
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> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:03:43 +0200
> Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Also, if someone just wants to know how it feels to use Squeak on a
>> touch screen, please download my touch emulator image. Should work on
>> all platforms:
>>
>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/etoys-touch-100620.zip
>>
>> I'd be interested in feedback if this works on Windows and Linux, too
>> - you should get a huge hand instead of a mouse pointer (and tap the
>> About flap to try some preferences).
>>
>
> Hi Bert,
>
> On Ubuntu 9.04 I get a normal cursor and an error window.
> I'm using Squeak-4.0.3.2202-linux_i386.
> Debug log attached.

>
> On 05.08.2010, at 23:33, Chris Kassopulo wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:03:43 +0200
> > Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> Also, if someone just wants to know how it feels to use Squeak on a
> >> touch screen, please download my touch emulator image. Should work
> >> on all platforms:
> >>
> >> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/etoys-touch-100620.zip
> >>
> >> I'd be interested in feedback if this works on Windows and Linux,
> >> too
> >> - you should get a huge hand instead of a mouse pointer (and tap
> >> the About flap to try some preferences).
> >>
> >
> > Hi Bert,
> >
> > On Ubuntu 9.04 I get a normal cursor and an error window.
> > I'm using Squeak-4.0.3.2202-linux_i386.
> > Debug log attached.
>
> Ah, interesting bug. That zip was missing the Etoys support files, in
> this case the locale information.
>
> I'll fix the bug, but in the mean time, you could try this instead
> which has all the necessary files:
>
> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/Etoys-Touch-Emu-100620.zip
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>
>

> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 00:40:42 +0200
> Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 05.08.2010, at 23:33, Chris Kassopulo wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:03:43 +0200
>>> Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Also, if someone just wants to know how it feels to use Squeak on a
>>>> touch screen, please download my touch emulator image. Should work
>>>> on all platforms:
>>>>
>>>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/etoys-touch-100620.zip
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in feedback if this works on Windows and Linux,
>>>> too
>>>> - you should get a huge hand instead of a mouse pointer (and tap
>>>> the About flap to try some preferences).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Bert,
>>>
>>> On Ubuntu 9.04 I get a normal cursor and an error window.
>>> I'm using Squeak-4.0.3.2202-linux_i386.
>>> Debug log attached.
>>
>> Ah, interesting bug. That zip was missing the Etoys support files, in
>> this case the locale information.
>>
>> I'll fix the bug, but in the mean time, you could try this instead
>> which has all the necessary files:
>>
>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/Etoys-Touch-Emu-100620.zip
>>
>> - Bert -
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> normal cursor regardless of emulateTouch selection
> indicateTouchPosition works
>
> Chris

>
> On 06.08.2010, at 05:09, Chris Kassopulo wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 00:40:42 +0200
> > Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On 05.08.2010, at 23:33, Chris Kassopulo wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:03:43 +0200
> >>> Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Also, if someone just wants to know how it feels to use Squeak
> >>>> on a touch screen, please download my touch emulator image.
> >>>> Should work on all platforms:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/etoys-touch-100620.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd be interested in feedback if this works on Windows and Linux,
> >>>> too
> >>>> - you should get a huge hand instead of a mouse pointer (and tap
> >>>> the About flap to try some preferences).
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Bert,
> >>>
> >>> On Ubuntu 9.04 I get a normal cursor and an error window.
> >>> I'm using Squeak-4.0.3.2202-linux_i386.
> >>> Debug log attached.
> >>
> >> Ah, interesting bug. That zip was missing the Etoys support files,
> >> in this case the locale information.
> >>
> >> I'll fix the bug, but in the mean time, you could try this instead
> >> which has all the necessary files:
> >>
> >> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/Etoys-Touch-Emu-100620.zip
> >>
> >> - Bert -
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > normal cursor regardless of emulateTouch selection
> > indicateTouchPosition works
> >
> > Chris
>
> Was that using the VM in the zip (run etoys.sh) or your VM?
>
> This relies on the "big-cursor" support which is only compiled in if
> the XRender headers were installed when compiling the VM, and the X
> server supports it.
>
> - Bert -
>
>
>
>

> On 06.08.2010, at 17:31, Chris Kassopulo wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 09:30:52 +0200
> > Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 06.08.2010, at 05:09, Chris Kassopulo wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 00:40:42 +0200
> >>> Bert Freudenberg <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://etoys.squeak.org/experimental/Etoys-Touch-Emu-100620.zip
> >>>>
> >>>> - Bert -
> >>>
> >>> normal cursor regardless of emulateTouch selection
> >>> indicateTouchPosition works
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>
> >> Was that using the VM in the zip (run etoys.sh) or your VM?
> >>
> >> This relies on the "big-cursor" support which is only compiled in
> >> if the XRender headers were installed when compiling the VM, and
> >> the X server supports it.
> >>
> >> - Bert -
> >
> > Using the local VM through etoys.sh
> >
> > Chris
>
> I found the problem. The X11 rendering plugin was compiled without
> Xrender support. Must have been broken since the switch to CMake, but
> nobody noticed until now.
>
> I'm going to fix the download. But I'm also attaching a good plugin
> that I just compiled - just replace the one in the .app with this one.
>
> Thank you for testing!
>
> (I'm assuming it does work on Windows?)
>
> - Bert -
>
>