Open Pharo debugger from a Seaside wallback

On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:

> It continues taking longer 15 seconds on 1.1 too, there isn't change. I will try to compare with Squeak looking for the possible problem and its solution.
>
> nobody has the same problem?

No and this is strange because 1.1 got a lot of the stream changes that made squeak faster.

>
> Thank you,
> Facu
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
>
> > Stef,
> > I'm using Pharo 1.0 RC2 with Seaside 2.8.4 and all is fine but it took over 15 seconds open a smalltalk debugger from a Seaside wallback. It was the reason of my first mail.
> > I tried with Squeak 4.1 RC4, to discard a network configuration problem at operative system level, and i don't have the problem. It takes 1 second to open the debugger.
> > Then, Marcus ask to me if i had the same problem with "PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE", at that time I download it, installed Seaside and try again. To Install Seaside took to me over 20 minutes but I had been instaled it on Pharo 1.0 and was been fine.
>
> ok so with 1.1 this is working?
> There were a **lot** of changes in 1.1. We will release shortly after 1.0 and much much faster :)
>
> > Is it more clear now ?. Please, sorry for my poor English.
>
> Don;t worry. write simple sentences and we will understand you.
> >
> > Facu
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > This is really strange. Can you describe your setup? Do you have an antivirus? And with Squeak you do not have that behavior?
> > We are loading larger code than seaside in Pharo and we do not have this problem.
> > So I would really like to understand. Could you post your image somewhere?
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
> >
> > > Stef,
> > > It took to me over 20 minutes to complete the Seaside 2.8 installation and when I interrupted it the debugger opened when the system was writting the pharoXXX.changes always but I couldn't check what is happening.
> > >
> > > I will check it again.
> > >
> > > Facu
> > >
> > > ps: I refered to pharoXXX.changes as "log" because of Visual Smalltalk where the "changes" are called changes.log, excuse me.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
> > >
> > > > Marcus,
> > > > I can't install Seaside on Pharo 1.1(*) but then i'll try again at home.
> > > >
> > > > It isn't my point to compare Pharo to Squeak performance but I used Squeak to test this particular situation.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Facu
> > > >
> > > > (*) it's very slow to write the log taking minutes to complete the instalation
> > >
> > > which log?
> > >
> > > Stef
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Lukas,
> > > > >> It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and Pharo.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go very very fast
> > > > >> to open de smalltalk debugger.
> > > > >> Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did you note that too or it's only my sensations?
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you check with Pharo 1.1?
> > > > >
> > > > >       https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE.1.zip
> > > > >
> > > > > In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0 speed-wise, but Pharo 1.1
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > My theory for your bug is that it's this:
> > > >
> > > >        http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860
> > > >
> > > > We added it to 1.1 on Nov. 01, 2009. Not to 1.0, because 1.0 was supposed to be released
> > > > "very soon".
> > > >
> > > >        Marcus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
> > > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
> > > >
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Thanks for asking and answering the problem. I've add an item to www.pharo-project.org/documentation/faq as it has become a FAQ.

Adrian

On Apr 14, 2010, at 15:21 , Facundo Vozzi wrote:

> Mariano,
> I had to uninstall nod-32 and the problem disappeared. I don't know why the
> problem doesn't happen with Squeak but it's ok on Pharo now.
>
> Thanks and sorry by my confusion,
> Facu
>
> 2010/4/12 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>
>
>> As Stef said...do you have some anti-virus program like nod-32 or something
>> like that ?  in such case you should exclude the directory where you have
>> your Pharo image.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
>>>
>>>> It continues taking longer 15 seconds on 1.1 too, there isn't change. I
>>> will try to compare with Squeak looking for the possible problem and its
>>> solution.
>>>>
>>>> nobody has the same problem?
>>>
>>> No and this is strange because 1.1 got a lot of the stream changes that
>>> made squeak faster.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Facu
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stef,
>>>>> I'm using Pharo 1.0 RC2 with Seaside 2.8.4 and all is fine but it took
>>> over 15 seconds open a smalltalk debugger from a Seaside wallback. It was
>>> the reason of my first mail.
>>>>> I tried with Squeak 4.1 RC4, to discard a network configuration
>>> problem at operative system level, and i don't have the problem. It takes 1
>>> second to open the debugger.
>>>>> Then, Marcus ask to me if i had the same problem with
>>> "PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE", at that time I download it, installed
>>> Seaside and try again. To Install Seaside took to me over 20 minutes but I
>>> had been instaled it on Pharo 1.0 and was been fine.
>>>>
>>>> ok so with 1.1 this is working?
>>>> There were a **lot** of changes in 1.1. We will release shortly after
>>> 1.0 and much much faster :)
>>>>
>>>>> Is it more clear now ?. Please, sorry for my poor English.
>>>>
>>>> Don;t worry. write simple sentences and we will understand you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Facu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> This is really strange. Can you describe your setup? Do you have an
>>> antivirus? And with Squeak you do not have that behavior?
>>>>> We are loading larger code than seaside in Pharo and we do not have
>>> this problem.
>>>>> So I would really like to understand. Could you post your image
>>> somewhere?
>>>>>
>>>>> Stef
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Stef,
>>>>>> It took to me over 20 minutes to complete the Seaside 2.8
>>> installation and when I interrupted it the debugger opened when the system
>>> was writting the pharoXXX.changes always but I couldn't check what is
>>> happening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will check it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Facu
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ps: I refered to pharoXXX.changes as "log" because of Visual
>>> Smalltalk where the "changes" are called changes.log, excuse me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus,
>>>>>>> I can't install Seaside on Pharo 1.1(*) but then i'll try again at
>>> home.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It isn't my point to compare Pharo to Squeak performance but I
>>> used Squeak to test this particular situation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Facu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (*) it's very slow to write the log taking minutes to complete the
>>> instalation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which log?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marcus Denker <
>>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Lukas,
>>>>>>>>> It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and
>>> Pharo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go
>>> very very fast
>>>>>>>>> to open de smalltalk debugger.
>>>>>>>>> Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did
>>> you note that too or it's only my sensations?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did you check with Pharo 1.1?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE.1.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0
>>> speed-wise, but Pharo 1.1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My theory for your bug is that it's this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We added it to 1.1 on Nov. 01, 2009. Not to 1.0, because 1.0 was
>>> supposed to be released
>>>>>>> "very soon".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Marcus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
>>>>>>> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>>>
>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Facundo Vozzi
>>>>>>> InfOil S.A.
>>>>>>> Project Leader
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