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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4801267How to start the image?2015-01-23T09:03:14Z2015-01-23T09:03:14ZMateusz Grotek
<br/>Hello,
<br/><br/>I tried to start the Context image, but failed.
<br/><br/>What I've done is:
<br/><br/>git clone '<a href="https://github.com/ccrraaiigg/context.git'" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://github.com/ccrraaiigg/context.git'</a><br/>context/context.app/Contents/RUNME/linux/context.sh
<br/><br/>The output is:
<br/><br/>START /usr/bin/firefox "<a href="http://localhost:8090/README.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://localhost:8090/README.html</a>"
<br/><br/>(process:8349): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion
<br/>'sys_page_size == 0' failed
<br/><br/>A new browser tab shows up with the address:
<br/>"<a href="http://localhost:8090/README.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://localhost:8090/README.html</a>", but no page appears (the "cannot
<br/>connect" error page).
<br/><br/>Also the program stops after showing the lines above.
<br/><br/>Am I doing anything wrong? Thank you for any help.
<br/><br/>Mateusz
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4794971Context release 4 alpha 12014-12-09T06:57:01Z2014-12-09T06:57:01Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hoi--
<br/><br/> I've released Context 4 alpha 1. This one fixes loading errors in
<br/>the welcome page, supports remote debugging and process browsing, and
<br/>makes Naiad and remote messaging support available as Monticello
<br/>packages. Thanks in advance for reporting bugs!
<br/><br/> <a href="http://tinyurl.com/pcj59xw" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://tinyurl.com/pcj59xw</a> (thiscontext.com)
<br/><br/> I'm around on the #context channel on squeak.slack.com for live
<br/>discussion.
<br/><br/><br/> thanks!
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4793137The Smalltalk Reflections podcast, episode one: a tribute to James Robertson2014-11-30T14:08:08Z2014-11-30T14:08:08Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hi all--
<br/><br/> We did it! Today, on James Robertson’s birthday, David Buck and I
<br/>have released episode one of “Smalltalk Reflections”, a podcast about
<br/>Smalltalk. Our first episode is a tribute to James, who started the
<br/>previous incarnation of the show. It’s hosted by David and myself, and
<br/>features remembrances from several friends and co-workers, as well as a
<br/>few choice words from the man himself. I edited it, and wrote the theme
<br/>music. Enjoy!
<br/><br/> <a href="http://smalltalkreflections.blogspot.ca" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://smalltalkreflections.blogspot.ca</a><br/><br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4791401re: SqueakJS running Spoon images (was "Spoon: debugging remote exceptions works")2014-11-20T20:08:43Z2014-11-20T20:08:43Zccrraaiigg
<br/>> Have you tried dropping any of your Spoon images into Bert's SqueakJS
<br/>> page? Is this feasible?
<br/><br/> It is! Yes, there's a bit of VM support required (at least for
<br/>remote messaging, and ideally also for method imprinting and unused
<br/>method removal), but it's not hard.
<br/><br/>> ...the SqueakJS VM is by far the most generic runtime environment
<br/>> available today. If various images could be grown from a minimal
<br/>> Spoon seed within the SqueakJS environment, I have to think that this
<br/>> would be a remarkable achievement indeed.
<br/><br/> Yes, I'm excited to do this.
<br/><br/><br/> thanks,
<br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4791388Re: Spoon: debugging remote exceptions works2014-11-20T18:34:56Z2014-11-20T18:34:56ZDavid T. Lewis
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 02:17:51PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br/>> On 20.11.2014, at 06:12, Craig Latta <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4791388&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>>
<br/>> >
<br/>> > Debugging remote exceptions works:
<br/>> >
<br/>> > <a href="http://thiscontext.com/2014/11/20/debugging-remote-exceptions-works" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://thiscontext.com/2014/11/20/debugging-remote-exceptions-works</a><br/>>
<br/>> Nice!
<br/>>
<br/>> This might become a cool way to build minimal images for SqueakJS :)
<br/>>
<br/>> - Bert -
<br/>>
</div><br/>Craig,
<br/><br/>Have you tried dropping any of your Spoon images into Bert's SqueakJS page?
<br/>Is this feasible? IIUC, there would be some VM support necessary to make
<br/>it work, but the SqueakJS VM is by far the most generic runtime environment
<br/>available today. If various images could be grown from a minimal Spoon seed
<br/>within the SqueakJS environment, I have to think that this would be a remarkable
<br/>achievement indeed.
<br/><br/>Dave
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4791314re: Spoon: debugging remote exceptions works2014-11-20T09:18:49Z2014-11-20T09:18:49Zccrraaiigg
<br/>> This might become a cool way to build minimal images for SqueakJS :)
<br/><br/> Yeah! And Alan Lovejoy and I are getting toward a Squeak-based
<br/>browser for his .NET-based Smalltalk, Essence#. The first project I want
<br/>to use it for is the ability to make snapshots at all. :)
<br/><br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4791272Re: Spoon: debugging remote exceptions works2014-11-20T06:12:12Z2014-11-20T06:12:12ZBert Freudenberg
On 20.11.2014, at 06:12, Craig Latta <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4791272&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/><br/>>
<br/>> Debugging remote exceptions works:
<br/>>
<br/>> <a href="http://thiscontext.com/2014/11/20/debugging-remote-exceptions-works" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://thiscontext.com/2014/11/20/debugging-remote-exceptions-works</a><br/><br/>Nice!
<br/><br/>This might become a cool way to build minimal images for SqueakJS :)
<br/><br/>- Bert -
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4791186Spoon: debugging remote exceptions works2014-11-19T22:06:49Z2014-11-19T22:06:49Zccrraaiigg
<br/> Debugging remote exceptions works:
<br/><br/> <a href="http://thiscontext.com/2014/11/20/debugging-remote-exceptions-works" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://thiscontext.com/2014/11/20/debugging-remote-exceptions-works</a><br/><br/><br/> thanks,
<br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4747943re: Spoon 3 beta 52014-03-05T16:25:06Z2014-03-05T16:25:06Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hi Karl--
<br/><br/>> [On Windows 8.1] I get to the web browser page,
<br/>> <a href="http://localhost:8090/README.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://localhost:8090/README.html</a>...
<br/><br/> Great! That's all I'm trying to verify in the field on all
<br/>platforms at the moment.
<br/><br/><br/> thanks,
<br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4747783re: Spoon 3 beta 52014-03-05T00:36:16Z2014-03-05T00:36:16Zccrraaiigg
<br/>> I was able to refresh the page.
<br/><br/> Cool! That's as far as I'm trying to get in the field at the
<br/>moment, on all platforms.
<br/><br/><br/> thanks again,
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4747777Re: Spoon 3 beta 52014-03-04T20:05:33Z2014-03-04T20:05:33ZChris Muller-3
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:50 AM, Craig Latta <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4747777&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
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<br/>> Hi Chris--
<br/>>
<br/>>> Congratulations on beta 5.
<br/>>
<br/>> Thanks!
<br/>>
<br/>>> I tried it on Ubuntu. FYI, I got a couple of strange messages when
<br/>>> unzipping about a couple of the files in there.
<br/>>
<br/>> Oh, what did you get?
</div><br/>Ok, this might actually be a bug with Ubuntu's Archive Manager. When
<br/>I open "Spoon 3 beta 5.zip" and then drag those two main folders into
<br/>a real folder, a box pops up with these messages:
<br/><br/>caution: filename not matched: Spoon 3 beta
<br/>5.app/Contents/Resources/Spoon 3 beta 5 processor.app/Icon\^M
<br/>caution: filename not matched: __MACOSX/Spoon 3 beta
<br/>5.app/Contents/Resources/Spoon 3 beta 5 processor.app/._Icon\^M
<br/><br/>However, when I simply used the "Extract" button on Archive Manager, I
<br/>got no errors. Strange.
<br/><br/>This time, after successful extraction, it opened the same web page as
<br/>before, and this time it didn't crash. I was able to refresh the
<br/>page. Clicking on "development environment" brought me to a totally
<br/>blank page. The background window could not be closed with the X, I
<br/>had to kill the process from command-line.
<br/><br/>>> Then i simply cd'd into the "Linux" folder and ran ./start.sh. I
<br/>>> think I saw a window open briefly...
<br/>>
<br/>> That's a Squeak window; I try to open it headlessly, but
<br/>> something's wrong with that. What's the correct invocation?
<br/><br/>Argument "-vm display=none" (without quotes of course) has worked for
<br/>me in the past.
<br/><br/>>> ...but it was quickly covered by a new browser window that opened
<br/>>> [<a href="http://localhost:8090/README.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://localhost:8090/README.html</a>].
<br/>>
<br/>> Cool! That's all I'm trying to get to work on all host platforms at
<br/>> the moment. Can you reload the page in the web browser?
<br/><br/>Yes, reloading the page worked.
<br/><br/>> thanks again,
<br/><br/>Thanks, looking forward to beta 6. :)
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<div>Please take me off of your mailing list.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>David Fuller</div><div><pre style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 15px; white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;">Best regards,
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4747629re: Spoon 3 beta 52014-03-04T03:50:36Z2014-03-04T03:50:36Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hi Chris--
<br/><br/>> Congratulations on beta 5.
<br/><br/> Thanks!
<br/><br/>> I tried it on Ubuntu. FYI, I got a couple of strange messages when
<br/>> unzipping about a couple of the files in there.
<br/><br/> Oh, what did you get?
<br/><br/>> Then i simply cd'd into the "Linux" folder and ran ./start.sh. I
<br/>> think I saw a window open briefly...
<br/><br/> That's a Squeak window; I try to open it headlessly, but
<br/>something's wrong with that. What's the correct invocation?
<br/><br/>> ...but it was quickly covered by a new browser window that opened
<br/>> [<a href="http://localhost:8090/README.html" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://localhost:8090/README.html</a>].
<br/><br/> Cool! That's all I'm trying to get to work on all host platforms at
<br/>the moment. Can you reload the page in the web browser?
<br/><br/><br/> thanks again,
<br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4747601Re: [squeak-dev] Spoon 3 beta 52014-03-03T19:53:24Z2014-03-03T19:53:24ZChris Muller-3
Congratulations on beta 5. I tried it on Ubuntu. FYI, I got a couple
<br/>of strange messages when unzipping about a couple of the files in
<br/>there. Then i simply cd'd into the "Linux" folder and ran ./start.sh.
<br/><br/>I think I saw a wiindow open briefly, but it was quickly covered by a
<br/>new browser window that opened n
<br/><a href="http://localhost:8090/memories/development%20environment/resume" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://localhost:8090/memories/development%20environment/resume</a>. It
<br/>had the banner page and text describing itself as a Spoon object
<br/>memory.
<br/><br/>Clicking on anything told me the standard "Oops! Google Chrome could
<br/>not connect to localhost:8090", moving the browser window away to
<br/>expose the background terminal window, I found the following.
<br/><br/>(terminal output follows)
<br/>Created new window in existing browser session.
<br/><br/>Segmentation fault
<br/><br/>-1221578156 >idleProcess
<br/>-1221582180 [] in >resume
<br/>-1221582088 [] in BlockContext>newProcess
<br/><br/><br/>On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Craig Latta <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4747601&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
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<br/>> (repost, link edited)
<br/>>
<br/>> Hi--
<br/>>
<br/>> Spoon 3 beta 5 is released[1]. I’ve still got a bunch of changes
<br/>> pending, for a 3b6 release to follow shortly. This release is just to
<br/>> fix some startup problems on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS. You can also
<br/>> find the Spoon VM changes separated out, in the second “Resources” folder.
<br/>>
<br/>> What I’d like is for you to just start the Spoon app and tell me
<br/>> the results, along with your host platform. Followups to
<br/>> comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.spoon, please. Thanks!
<br/>>
<br/>>
<br/>> -C
<br/>>
<br/>> [1] <a href="http://thiscontext.com/2014/03/04/spoon-3-beta-5-released" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://thiscontext.com/2014/03/04/spoon-3-beta-5-released</a><br/>>
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4737015Spoon blog activity2014-01-15T12:04:01Z2014-01-15T12:04:01Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hi all--
<br/><br/> I'll be posting links here for some recent Spoon posts to my blog,
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<br/><br/><br/> thanks again,
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4734776re: Shrinking2014-01-06T19:37:01Z2014-01-06T19:37:01Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hi Colin--
<br/><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br/>> What's the state of the art in shrinking these days?
<br/>>
<br/>> I'm starting a new web project with Squeak, and I want to create a
<br/>> smallish base image that I can use to build up images for development
<br/>> and deployment. It doesn't have to be absolutely minimal, just
<br/>> unloading unnecessary code and cleaning up the registries, clearing
<br/>> caches etc would fine.
<br/>>
<br/>> I tried "Smalltalk shrinkAndCleanDesktop", but it complains about
<br/>> obsolete behaviours still being present, so I guess there's some bit
<br/>> rot there.
<br/>>
<br/>> Suggestions?
</div><br/> I think the best way to shrink is for the garbage collector to do
<br/>it. There's an alternate version of the GC in Spoon[1], invoked with
<br/>Interpreter>>primitiveSnapshotWithoutStaleMethods. It sets a mark bit on
<br/>all the methods associated with contexts in extant processes, along with
<br/>any other methods which have run (for example, by running unit tests).
<br/>Then it treats all other methods as garbage in the pre-snapshot GC.
<br/><br/> This leads to a chain reaction; the methods that aren't marked are
<br/>usually the only things referring to their literals (including classes).
<br/>The process is immediate, and requires no knowledge of what's being
<br/>thrown away. The only difference between producing a minimal system
<br/>(currently 1kB) and a larger one (e.g., the Spoon development base
<br/>system at 300 kB) is how many methods you mark in advance by running them.
<br/><br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4670664re: current Spoon release (was "Spoon Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3")2013-02-19T06:32:08Z2013-02-19T06:32:08Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hi Bruce--
<br/><br/> As mentioned in the digest you quoted... :) The current release of
<br/>Spoon is 3 beta 3 and is at:
<br/><br/> <a href="http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://netjam.org/spoon/releases/current</a><br/><br/><br/> thanks!
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">Hi Craig,<br>
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<font face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">and I get a 404 error.
I'm running OSX 10.8.2 Mountain Lion. - Bruce<br>
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Is there a URL for the current Spoon? For the URL <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/</a>
15188004/spoon/Spoon-3-alpha-4.zip dropbox gives 404, and I can't seem to
get to netjam.org either. Thanks! -- David
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Hi--
I've released Spoon 3 alpha 4, just to fix some VM problems with
3a3. It's at:
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Please fire it up and let me know that it starts. I've tried it myself on:
- Mac OS X 10.7 (Mountain Lion)
- Ubuntu GNU/Linux 12.04 64-bit
- Ubuntu GNU/Linux 12.04 32-bit
- Windows XP SP3
- Windows 8
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Hi David--
The current release of Spoon (at the moment, 3 beta 3) is at:
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Strange, it doesn't show being down. What happens?
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Huh. Must have been a network transient. Got it now, and I'll start
reading code shortly. Thanks! -- David
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Strange, it doesn't show being down. What happens?
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4669538Re: quick update2013-02-12T16:42:25Z2013-02-12T16:42:25Zccrraaiigg
<br/>Hi Noah--
<br/><br/> What's your C debugging environment? GDB?
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<br/><br/>p.s. Waycool!
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4669530quick update2013-02-12T16:02:06Z2013-02-12T16:02:06ZNoah Evans
I have it blitting and receiving mouse and keyboard events.
<br/><br/>I'm still getting extremely strange floating point behavior (although
<br/>it may very well be more general). My vm is getting the receiver
<br/>argument order wrong on the stack. This is leading to divide by zeros.
<br/>Is there any obvious way of debugging this? I am moving to the VM list
<br/>after this question, but I wanted to make sure I haven't forgotten
<br/>something obvious.
<br/><br/>rcvr 1023.000000 arg 0.000000
<br/> >34086640red
<br/> >34086536mixed:with:
<br/> >34086444asColor
<br/> >34086352fillStyle:
<br/> >34085308updateColor
<br/> >34084320extent:
<br/> >34084228width:
<br/> >34083632updateExtent
<br/> >34083540updateBounds
<br/> >34083448ownerChanged
<br/> >34083356doLayoutIn:
<br/> >34082464do:
<br/> >34081212doLayoutIn:
<br/> >34080432fullBounds
<br/> >34080340on:do:
<br/> >34080208fullBounds
<br/> >34080116dispatchDefault:with:
<br/> >34080024dispatchEvent:with:
<br/> >34079916processEvent:using:
<br/> >34079704processEvent:using:
<br/> >34079612processEvent:
<br/> >34079476sendEvent:focus:clear:
<br/> >34079316sendMouseEvent:
<br/> >34079224handleEvent:
<br/> >34078552processMouseOver:
<br/> >34078460processEvents
<br/> >34078344doOneCycleNowFor:
<br/> >34078228do:
<br/> >34078136handsDo:
<br/> >34078036doOneCycleNowFor:
<br/> >34074316doOneCycleFor:
<br/> >34074224doOneCycle
<br/> >34074132spawnNewProcess
<br/> >34073776newProcess
<br/><br/>Noah
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4669329Re: debugging object memory2013-02-11T16:34:53Z2013-02-11T16:34:53Zccrraaiigg
<br/>> ...the spoon vm is a bit different isn't it?
<br/><br/> No, not in any way that would affect debugging. It has a dispatch
<br/>loop and primitives that support proxies, and a second garbage
<br/>collection mode for collecting methods that haven't been run recently.
<br/><br/><br/>-C
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4669301Re: debugging object memory2013-02-11T13:03:28Z2013-02-11T13:03:28ZFrank Shearar-3
If it is, it ought not to be :)
<br/><br/>frank
<br/><br/>On 11 February 2013 19:03, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669301&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br/>> Yeah I probably should. I'm a bit wary of doing this though as I
<br/>> understand it, the spoon vm is a bit different isn't it?
<br/>>
<br/>> Noah
<br/>>
<br/>>
<br/>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Frank Shearar <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669301&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>>> I realise you're semi-keeping a lid on this, but the folks on the
<br/>>> vm-dev mailing list [1], while probably not terribly knowledgeable
<br/>>> about Plan 9 in particular, do collectively have a whole lot of
<br/>>> experience debugging the VMs on multiple platforms (including esoteric
<br/>>> ones like RISC OS).
<br/>>>
<br/>>> frank
<br/>>>
<br/>>> [1] <a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev</a><br/>>>
<br/>>> On 10 February 2013 17:36, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669301&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>>>> I'm also getting an interesting floating point behavior.
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>> I'm getting a float division of 1023.0/0.0. This should be caught be
<br/>>>> the test !(arg != 0.0) but it isn't. Until I understand the problem
<br/>>>> better I'll blame the plan9 compilers. I've gotten the expected
<br/>>>> behavior by substituting "(int)arg == 0" which yields something close
<br/>>>> to the expected behavior.
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>> After digging around in the source I'd hazard a guess that the 1023.0
<br/>>>> value is ComponentMax in the class Color. If that's true I'd bet that
<br/>>>> the division comes from Color>blue. This would imply that the division
<br/>>>> is being done backwards and that something is potentially funky with
<br/>>>> my stack handling. Does anyone have any experience debugging these
<br/>>>> sorts of problems? printAllStacks() is unhelpful, I think this may be
<br/>>>> due to some bit of initialization I'm not doing.
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>> Any thoughts?
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>> Noah
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669301&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>>>>> I've got the vm receiving events (no graphics yet) and I make it to
<br/>>>>> the first GC.
<br/>>>>>
<br/>>>>> At oop=0x213cc94 oopSize is 34852108 which immediately causes a
<br/>>>>> segfault. What is the proper way to debug object memory when
<br/>>>>> bootstrapping?
<br/>>>>>
<br/>>>>> Noah
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4669287Re: debugging object memory2013-02-11T12:03:26Z2013-02-11T12:03:26ZNoah Evans
Yeah I probably should. I'm a bit wary of doing this though as I
<br/>understand it, the spoon vm is a bit different isn't it?
<br/><br/>Noah
<br/><br/><br/>On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Frank Shearar <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669287&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br/>> I realise you're semi-keeping a lid on this, but the folks on the
<br/>> vm-dev mailing list [1], while probably not terribly knowledgeable
<br/>> about Plan 9 in particular, do collectively have a whole lot of
<br/>> experience debugging the VMs on multiple platforms (including esoteric
<br/>> ones like RISC OS).
<br/>>
<br/>> frank
<br/>>
<br/>> [1] <a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev</a><br/>>
<br/>> On 10 February 2013 17:36, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669287&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>>> I'm also getting an interesting floating point behavior.
<br/>>>
<br/>>> I'm getting a float division of 1023.0/0.0. This should be caught be
<br/>>> the test !(arg != 0.0) but it isn't. Until I understand the problem
<br/>>> better I'll blame the plan9 compilers. I've gotten the expected
<br/>>> behavior by substituting "(int)arg == 0" which yields something close
<br/>>> to the expected behavior.
<br/>>>
<br/>>> After digging around in the source I'd hazard a guess that the 1023.0
<br/>>> value is ComponentMax in the class Color. If that's true I'd bet that
<br/>>> the division comes from Color>blue. This would imply that the division
<br/>>> is being done backwards and that something is potentially funky with
<br/>>> my stack handling. Does anyone have any experience debugging these
<br/>>> sorts of problems? printAllStacks() is unhelpful, I think this may be
<br/>>> due to some bit of initialization I'm not doing.
<br/>>>
<br/>>> Any thoughts?
<br/>>>
<br/>>> Noah
<br/>>>
<br/>>>
<br/>>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669287&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>>>> I've got the vm receiving events (no graphics yet) and I make it to
<br/>>>> the first GC.
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>> At oop=0x213cc94 oopSize is 34852108 which immediately causes a
<br/>>>> segfault. What is the proper way to debug object memory when
<br/>>>> bootstrapping?
<br/>>>>
<br/>>>> Noah
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4669024Re: debugging object memory2013-02-10T10:57:07Z2013-02-10T10:57:07ZFrank Shearar-3
I realise you're semi-keeping a lid on this, but the folks on the
<br/>vm-dev mailing list [1], while probably not terribly knowledgeable
<br/>about Plan 9 in particular, do collectively have a whole lot of
<br/>experience debugging the VMs on multiple platforms (including esoteric
<br/>ones like RISC OS).
<br/><br/>frank
<br/><br/>[1] <a href="http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/vm-dev</a><br/><br/>On 10 February 2013 17:36, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669024&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br/>> I'm also getting an interesting floating point behavior.
<br/>>
<br/>> I'm getting a float division of 1023.0/0.0. This should be caught be
<br/>> the test !(arg != 0.0) but it isn't. Until I understand the problem
<br/>> better I'll blame the plan9 compilers. I've gotten the expected
<br/>> behavior by substituting "(int)arg == 0" which yields something close
<br/>> to the expected behavior.
<br/>>
<br/>> After digging around in the source I'd hazard a guess that the 1023.0
<br/>> value is ComponentMax in the class Color. If that's true I'd bet that
<br/>> the division comes from Color>blue. This would imply that the division
<br/>> is being done backwards and that something is potentially funky with
<br/>> my stack handling. Does anyone have any experience debugging these
<br/>> sorts of problems? printAllStacks() is unhelpful, I think this may be
<br/>> due to some bit of initialization I'm not doing.
<br/>>
<br/>> Any thoughts?
<br/>>
<br/>> Noah
<br/>>
<br/>>
<br/>> On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669024&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>>> I've got the vm receiving events (no graphics yet) and I make it to
<br/>>> the first GC.
<br/>>>
<br/>>> At oop=0x213cc94 oopSize is 34852108 which immediately causes a
<br/>>> segfault. What is the proper way to debug object memory when
<br/>>> bootstrapping?
<br/>>>
<br/>>> Noah
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tag:forum.world.st,2006:post-4669020Re: debugging object memory2013-02-10T10:36:02Z2013-02-10T10:36:02ZNoah Evans
I'm also getting an interesting floating point behavior.
<br/><br/>I'm getting a float division of 1023.0/0.0. This should be caught be
<br/>the test !(arg != 0.0) but it isn't. Until I understand the problem
<br/>better I'll blame the plan9 compilers. I've gotten the expected
<br/>behavior by substituting "(int)arg == 0" which yields something close
<br/>to the expected behavior.
<br/><br/>After digging around in the source I'd hazard a guess that the 1023.0
<br/>value is ComponentMax in the class Color. If that's true I'd bet that
<br/>the division comes from Color>blue. This would imply that the division
<br/>is being done backwards and that something is potentially funky with
<br/>my stack handling. Does anyone have any experience debugging these
<br/>sorts of problems? printAllStacks() is unhelpful, I think this may be
<br/>due to some bit of initialization I'm not doing.
<br/><br/>Any thoughts?
<br/><br/>Noah
<br/><br/><br/>On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 3:51 PM, Noah Evans <<a href="/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4669020&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow" link="external">[hidden email]</a>> wrote:
<br/>> I've got the vm receiving events (no graphics yet) and I make it to
<br/>> the first GC.
<br/>>
<br/>> At oop=0x213cc94 oopSize is 34852108 which immediately causes a
<br/>> segfault. What is the proper way to debug object memory when
<br/>> bootstrapping?
<br/>>
<br/>> Noah
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