Performance VW on Pocket PC

> Thanks Georg
>
> The problem with the clases is in some methods like #spinButton: spec into:
> builder in UILookPolicy, in this case when the method do "self
> spinButtonViewClass model: model."
> an exception is raised "UndefinedObject does not understood #model:" but in
> XP the same runtime image work very well.
> I have not the wallback here, but at night i will attach it.
>
> Regars
> Andrés
>
> 2007/5/14, Georg Heeg <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>  Andrés,
>>
>>
>>
>> The performance of a typical Windows Ce machines with Strong Arm
>> Processor
>> is much less than x86 type performance. Additionally most of devices are
>> optimized for energy consumption and production cost. Thus the same
>> processor can have a difference of a factor of 8 in speed easily, mainly
>> concerning the graphics speed. If you run a simple C benchmark, you
>> will get
>> the same results as running Smalltalk.
>>
>>
>>
>> Concerning the "classes incompatibilities" you are writing a bout, I have
>> no clue. Can you be more precise?
>>
>>
>>
>> Georg
>>
>>
>>
>> Georg Heeg eK, Dortmund und Köthen, HR Dortmund A 12812
>>
>> Tel. +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712
>>   ------------------------------
>>
>> *Von:* Andrés Garagiola [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> *Gesendet:* Montag, 14. Mai 2007 15:35
>> *An:* [hidden email]
>> *Betreff:* Performance VW on Pocket PC
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm running an VW very simple  application in a pocket pc (Symbol PDT
>> 8100
>> processor Intel SA1110 206MHz and  64 Mb).  The  performance is very bad,
>> and inclusive i have some problems with some classes.
>> My question is if this problems can be  incompatibilities or resources
>> problems?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Andrés
>>
>>
>
>

> It's one of wallbacks, it refer to other problem that occurs only in the
> runtimeimage when i execute in the pocket, in windows XP run well but i
> think that it's a problem with CE parcel in runtime image creation.
>
> Thanks
> Andrés
>
> T
> 
> ==2003/3/28==15:56:55==BEGIN RUNTIME DIAGNOSTIC DUMP
> Note: this file stored in VisualWorks #source (UTF-8) encoding
>
> Cause of Dump: Unhandled exception: Message not understood: #model:
> Image Identification: 'Image created May 13, 2007  9:37:43 am'
> Smalltalk Version: 'VisualWorks(r) NonCommercial, 7.4.1 of May 30, 2006'
> Object Memory versionId: #[60 48 60 64 74 1 0 0 60 41 60 64]
> Class creating this dump: RuntimeImageDumper
> Command Line: \Program Files\vw\bin\cearm\vwnt.exe
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Active Process
> Context Stack:
> [1]     UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
> [2]     SmalltalkWidgetPolicy(MenuButtonView)>>menuViewForMenu:
> [3]     InputBoxController(Controller)>>trackMenu:at:centered:
> [4]     InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>processMenu:at:centered:
> [5]     InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>processMenuAt:centered:
> [6]     InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>yellowButtonPressedEvent:
> [7]     InputBoxController(ParagraphEditor)>>yellowButtonPressedEvent:
> [8]     InputBoxController(TextEditorController)>>yellowButtonPressedEvent:
> [9]     YellowButtonPressedEvent>>dispatchTo:
> [10]     InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>handleEvent:
> [11]     EventDispatcher>>dispatch:to:
> [12]     EventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:
> [13]     YellowButtonPressedEvent(Event)>>dispatch
> [14]     YellowButtonPressedEvent(Event)>>dispatchForWindowManager:
> [15]     optimized [] in WindowManager>>safelyDispatchForWindowManager:
> [16]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [17]     WindowManager>>safelyDispatchForWindowManager:
> [18]     WindowManager>>processNextEvent
> [19]     optimized [] in [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
> [20]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [21]     optimized [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
> [22]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [23]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Unhandled Exception:
>    class: UnhandledException
>    creator: UnhandledException
>    errorString: Unhandled exception: Message not understood: #model:
>    parameter: a MessageNotUnderstood
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Initial Context Stack Arguments:
> [1] UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand:
>    Receiver: (id=1) nil
>    Arg1: (id=5015) a Message with selector: #model: and arguments: #(a
> Menu)
> [2] SmalltalkWidgetPolicy(MenuButtonView)>>menuViewForMenu:
>    Receiver: (id=6488) a SmalltalkWidgetPolicy
>    Arg1: (id=13389) a Menu
> [3] InputBoxController(Controller)>>trackMenu:at:centered:
>    Receiver: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
>    Arg1: (id=13389) a Menu
>    Arg2: (id=1702) 126@106
>    Arg3: (id=3) true
> [4] InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>processMenu:at:centered:
>    Receiver: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
>    Arg1: (id=13389) a Menu
>    Arg2: (id=1702) 126@106
>    Arg3: (id=3) true
> [5] InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>processMenuAt:centered:
>    Receiver: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
>    Arg1: (id=1702) 126@106
>    Arg2: (id=3) true
> [6] InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>yellowButtonPressedEvent:
>    Receiver: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
>    Arg1: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
> [7] InputBoxController(ParagraphEditor)>>yellowButtonPressedEvent:
>    Receiver: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
>    Arg1: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
> [8] InputBoxController(TextEditorController)>>yellowButtonPressedEvent:
>    Receiver: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
>    Arg1: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
> [9] YellowButtonPressedEvent>>dispatchTo:
>    Receiver: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
>    Arg1: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
> [10] InputBoxController(ControllerWithMenu)>>handleEvent:
>    Receiver: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
>    Arg1: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
> [11] EventDispatcher>>dispatch:to:
>    Receiver: (id=3914) an EventDispatcher
>    Arg1: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
>    Arg2: (id=7961) an InputBoxController
> [12] EventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:
>    Receiver: (id=3914) an EventDispatcher
>    Arg1: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
> [13] YellowButtonPressedEvent(Event)>>dispatch
>    Receiver: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
> [14] YellowButtonPressedEvent(Event)>>dispatchForWindowManager:
>    Receiver: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
>    Arg1: (id=7413) a WindowManager
> [16] BlockClosure>>on:do:
>    Receiver: (id=15145) BlockClosure [] in
> WindowManager>>safelyDispatchForWindowManager:
>    Arg1: (id=8473) BadControllerError
>    Arg2: (id=10359) BlockClosure [] in
> WindowManager>>safelyDispatchForWindowManager:
> [17] WindowManager>>safelyDispatchForWindowManager:
>    Receiver: (id=7413) a WindowManager
>    Arg1: (id=9987) a YellowButtonPressedEvent
> [18] WindowManager>>processNextEvent
>    Receiver: (id=7413) a WindowManager
> [20] BlockClosure>>on:do:
>    Receiver: (id=9439) BlockClosure [] in [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
>    Arg1: (id=3873) TerminateException
>    Arg2: (id=4653) BlockClosure [] in [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
> [22] BlockClosure>>on:do:
>    Receiver: (id=12385) BlockClosure [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
>    Arg1: (id=3873) TerminateException
>    Arg2: (id=14659) BlockClosure [] in [] in Process
> class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Quiescent Processes
> Process priority: 10 (id=7599)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     ObjectMemory class>>idleLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installIdleLoopProcess
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Suspended Processes
> Process priority: 10 (id=7599)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     ObjectMemory class>>idleLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installIdleLoopProcess
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 100 (id=11465)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in Delay class>>initializeTimingProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 85 (id=5206)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in CCallback class>>installForeignCallbackProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 85 (id=15331)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in CCallback class>>installForeignCallbackProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 89 (id=9072)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in [] in [] in CCallback class>>installCallbackProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in [] in CCallback class>>installCallbackProcess
> [5]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [6]     optimized [] in CCallback class>>installCallbackProcess
> [7]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [8]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 98 (id=2813)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     WeakArray class>>outerFinalizationLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in WeakArray class>>installFinalizationMechanism
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 90 (id=12938)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     InputState>>run
> [3]     optimized [] in InputState class>>install
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 90 (id=6679)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installScavengeNotification
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 91 (id=420)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     ObjectMemory class>>lowSpaceLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installLowSpaceProcess
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Transcript:
> <<<BEGIN TRANSCRIPT>>>
>
> pocketruntime.im created at May 13, 2007 9:37:59 am
> <<<END TRANSCRIPT>>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Scheduled Windows:
>
>    an ApplicationWindow 10 label: 'Pocket'
>        model class:  PocketApp
>        67@27         displayContents: '8555555'
>
> ==2003/3/28==15:56:55==END RUNTIME DIAGNOSTIC DUMP
> 
> ==2003/3/28==16:08:10==BEGIN RUNTIME DIAGNOSTIC DUMP
> Note: this file stored in VisualWorks #source (UTF-8) encoding
>
> Cause of Dump: Unhandled exception: Referenced an instance of deleted
> Behavior:  External.CMacroDefinition
> Image Identification: 'Image created May 13, 2007  9:52:27 am'
> Smalltalk Version: 'VisualWorks(r) NonCommercial, 7.4.1 of May 30, 2006'
> Object Memory versionId: #[60 48 60 64 74 1 0 0 60 41 60 64]
> Class creating this dump: RuntimeImageDumper
> Command Line: \Program Files\vw\bin\cearm\vwnt.exe
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Active Process
> Context Stack:
> [1]     (deleted) External.CMacroDefinition(
> RuntimePackager.RuntimeDeletedInstance)>>doesNotUnderstand:
> [2]     WinCESystemSupport>>showSIPFor:
> [3]     ApplicationWindow(Window)>>setupKeyboard
> [4]     WindowManager>>processNextEvent
> [5]     optimized [] in [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
> [6]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [7]     optimized [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
> [8]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [9]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Unhandled Exception:
>    class: UnhandledException
>    creator: UnhandledException
>    errorString: Unhandled exception: Referenced an instance of deleted
> Behavior:  External.CMacroDefinition
>    parameter: an Error
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Initial Context Stack Arguments:
> [1] (deleted) External.CMacroDefinition(
> RuntimePackager.RuntimeDeletedInstance)>>doesNotUnderstand:
>    Receiver: (id=1898) a (deleted) External.CMacroDefinition
>    Arg1: (id=3371) a Message with selector: #value and arguments: #()
> [2] WinCESystemSupport>>showSIPFor:
>    Receiver: (id=4844) a WinCESystemSupport
>    Arg1: (id=6317) an ApplicationWindow 10
> [3] ApplicationWindow(Window)>>setupKeyboard
>    Receiver: (id=6317) an ApplicationWindow 10
> [4] WindowManager>>processNextEvent
>    Receiver: (id=7790) a WindowManager
> [6] BlockClosure>>on:do:
>    Receiver: (id=15522) BlockClosure [] in [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
>    Arg1: (id=3873) TerminateException
>    Arg2: (id=10736) BlockClosure [] in [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
> [8] BlockClosure>>on:do:
>    Receiver: (id=2084) BlockClosure [] in WindowManager>>newProcess
>    Arg1: (id=3873) TerminateException
>    Arg2: (id=14659) BlockClosure [] in [] in Process
> class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Quiescent Processes
> Process priority: 10 (id=7423)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     ObjectMemory class>>idleLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installIdleLoopProcess
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Suspended Processes
> Process priority: 85 (id=11289)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in CCallback class>>installForeignCallbackProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 100 (id=5030)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in Delay class>>initializeTimingProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 85 (id=15155)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in CCallback class>>installForeignCallbackProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 91 (id=8896)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     ObjectMemory class>>lowSpaceLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installLowSpaceProcess
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 89 (id=2637)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in [] in [] in CCallback class>>installCallbackProcess
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in [] in CCallback class>>installCallbackProcess
> [5]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [6]     optimized [] in CCallback class>>installCallbackProcess
> [7]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [8]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 98 (id=12762)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     WeakArray class>>outerFinalizationLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in WeakArray class>>installFinalizationMechanism
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 10 (id=7423)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     ObjectMemory class>>idleLoop
> [3]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installIdleLoopProcess
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 90 (id=6503)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     InputState>>run
> [3]     optimized [] in InputState class>>install
> [4]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [5]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> Process priority: 90 (id=244)
> Context Stack:
> [1]     Semaphore>>wait
> [2]     optimized [] in ObjectMemory class>>installScavengeNotification
> [3]     BlockClosure>>on:do:
> [4]     optimized [] in Process class>>forBlock:priority:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Transcript:
> <<<BEGIN TRANSCRIPT>>>
>
> pocketruntime.im created at May 13, 2007 9:52:44 am
> <<<END TRANSCRIPT>>>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> Scheduled Windows:
>
>    an ApplicationWindow 10 label: 'Pocket'
>        model class:  PocketApp
>        75@24         displayContents: 'hhhhhhhir999r'
>
> ==2003/3/28==16:08:10==END RUNTIME DIAGNOSTIC DUMP
>
>
> 2007/5/15, Ralf Propach <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> Hi Andres,
>>
>> I would suspect that the runtime packager removed some classes of the
>> Look
>> and Feel
>> you use on Windows CE. You could try changing the look and feel from
>> 'Auto
>> Select'
>> to 'Windows XP' in the Settings Tool; or you could tell the runtime
>> packager to keep
>> the classes you need. But without a walkback, it is hard to guess the
>> problem.
>>
>>
>> Ralf
>>
>> Andrés Garagiola wrote:
>> > Thanks Georg
>> >
>> > The problem with the clases is in some methods like #spinButton: spec
>> into:
>> > builder in UILookPolicy, in this case when the method do "self
>> > spinButtonViewClass model: model."
>> > an exception is raised "UndefinedObject does not understood #model:"
>> but
>> in
>> > XP the same runtime image work very well.
>> > I have not the wallback here, but at night i will attach it.
>> >
>> > Regars
>> > Andrés
>> >
>> > 2007/5/14, Georg Heeg <[hidden email]>:
>> >>
>> >>  Andrés,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The performance of a typical Windows Ce machines with Strong Arm
>> >> Processor
>> >> is much less than x86 type performance. Additionally most of devices
>> are
>> >> optimized for energy consumption and production cost. Thus the same
>> >> processor can have a difference of a factor of 8 in speed easily,
>> mainly
>> >> concerning the graphics speed. If you run a simple C benchmark, you
>> >> will get
>> >> the same results as running Smalltalk.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Concerning the "classes incompatibilities" you are writing a bout, I
>> have
>> >> no clue. Can you be more precise?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Georg
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Georg Heeg eK, Dortmund und Köthen, HR Dortmund A 12812
>> >>
>> >> Tel. +49-3496-214328, Fax +49-3496-214712
>> >>   ------------------------------
>> >>
>> >> *Von:* Andrés Garagiola [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> >> *Gesendet:* Montag, 14. Mai 2007 15:35
>> >> *An:* [hidden email]
>> >> *Betreff:* Performance VW on Pocket PC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'm running an VW very simple  application in a pocket pc (Symbol PDT
>> >> 8100
>> >> processor Intel SA1110 206MHz and  64 Mb).  The  performance is very
>> bad,
>> >> and inclusive i have some problems with some classes.
>> >> My question is if this problems can be  incompatibilities or resources
>> >> problems?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >> Andrés
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ralf Propach, [hidden email]
>> Tel: +49 231 975 99 38   Fax: +49 231 975 99 20
>> Georg Heeg eK (Dortmund)
>> Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Dortmund  A 12812
>>
>
>