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Lautaro Fernández
Hi list,

I wonder if someone has implemented a permalink for Pier, because if I have a link like this
http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks+servers?_s=123xyz&_k=zyx123&_n&22
I could make a permalink like this:
http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks%20servers
Which is:

a) changing all the "+" for a "%20"
b) and erasing from "?" to the end of the string

And the (new) generated URL does work and it's shareable with others browsers/people. If not, where should I put this to "pre" generate permalinks for all pages, and show them properly (like the one in the image http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/evaklo/permalink.png )?

Thanks for your time,
Lautaro Fernández

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Lukas Renggli-2
> I wonder if someone has implemented a permalink for Pier, because if  
> I have a link like this
> http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks+servers?_s=123xyz&_k=zyx123&_n&22

This is actually a permalink. There is some noise after the ? that you  
can ignore. If people bookmark the link or send it around, that's no  
problem.

> I could make a permalink like this:
> http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks%20servers

This is the same permalink as above.

> Which is:
> a) changing all the "+" for a "%20"
> b) and erasing from "?" to the end of the string

a) As far as i know, this modification doesn't change anything about  
the link, it is just a different encoding. The resulting URL is the  
same.
b) As long as you only remove the _s, _k, _n and [0-9]+ keys that  
doesn't change anything, you will only loose the session information.  
The blog component actually does something like that to display a  
nicer link.

> And the (new) generated URL does work and it's shareable with others  
> browsers/people. If not, where should I put this to "pre" generate  
> permalinks for all pages, and show them properly (like the one in  
> the image http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/evaklo/permalink.png 
>  )?

Doing absolutely clean URLs is possible, however it requires some  
heavy Seaside hackery to avoid loosing functionality. Unfortunately my  
time working on Pier is very limited at the moment.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Lautaro Fernández
Hi Lukas,

2008/6/10 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>:
This is actually a permalink. There is some noise after the ? that you
can ignore. If people bookmark the link or send it around, that's no
problem.
 
Sorry to disagree with you, but that link isn't shareable (the one which has the "+" instead of the "%20"). Now I'm at home, and if I click it I got the following error:
Error: "/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks+servers" not found.

So there must be a problem with Seaside or maybe Pier. The URL I can see after clicking is:
http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks%2Bservers
Notice that the "+" has changed into a "%2B", which is a "+" in ASCII code, and it seems that Pier can't process it in a good way. That is because the page name isn't "Smalltalks+servers", actually is "Smalltalks servers".
 
This is the same permalink as above.
 
This link (with the %20) is showed properly here, in my home.
Do you think that my installation of Pier (or maybe Seaside) isn't working well?


> Which is:
> a) changing all the "+" for a "%20"
> b) and erasing from "?" to the end of the string

a) As far as i know, this modification doesn't change anything about
the link, it is just a different encoding. The resulting URL is the
same.
b) As long as you only remove the _s, _k, _n and [0-9]+ keys that
doesn't change anything, you will only loose the session information.
The blog component actually does something like that to display a
nicer link.

> And the (new) generated URL does work and it's shareable with others
> browsers/people. If not, where should I put this to "pre" generate
> permalinks for all pages, and show them properly (like the one in
> the image http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm197/evaklo/permalink.png
>  )?

Doing absolutely clean URLs is possible, however it requires some
heavy Seaside hackery to avoid loosing functionality. Unfortunately my
time working on Pier is very limited at the moment.
 
But if you insert a link like this: http://yourHost:aPort/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Talks  , the part of "/pier/Wiki/Talks" is traceable, so if you click http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Talks you will be able to see the "Talks" page in Pier.
Isn't this an absolutely clean URL for the "Talks" page?

Cheers,
Lukas
Thanks in advance for your answers,
Lautaro Fernández

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Lukas Renggli-2
> So there must be a problem with Seaside or maybe Pier. The URL I can  
> see after clicking is:

> http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks%2Bservers
> Notice that the "+" has changed into a "%2B", which is a "+" in  
> ASCII code, and it seems that Pier can't process it in a good way.  
> That is because the page name isn't "Smalltalks+servers", actually  
> is "Smalltalks servers".

I only realize now that you are on VisualWorks. Looks like a bug in  
the request parsing and URL decoding there. It works without problems  
in Squeak, no matter if I use + or %20 in my URLs.

> But if you insert a link like this: <a href="http://yourHost:aPort/seaside/go/">http://yourHost:aPort/seaside/go/ 
> pier/Wiki/Talks  , the part of "/pier/Wiki/Talks" is traceable, so  
> if you click http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Talks 
>  you will be able to see the "Talks" page in Pier.
> Isn't this an absolutely clean URL for the "Talks" page?

Yes, it is.

Cheers,
Lukas

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Lautaro Fernández


2008/6/11 Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]>:
> So there must be a problem with Seaside or maybe Pier. The URL I can
> see after clicking is:

> http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Smalltalks%2Bservers
> Notice that the "+" has changed into a "%2B", which is a "+" in
> ASCII code, and it seems that Pier can't process it in a good way.
> That is because the page name isn't "Smalltalks+servers", actually
> is "Smalltalks servers".

I only realize now that you are on VisualWorks. Looks like a bug in
the request parsing and URL decoding there. It works without problems
in Squeak, no matter if I use + or %20 in my URLs.
Ok, thanks. I'll try to find the way to fix this.
 

> But if you insert a link like this: http://yourHost:aPort/seaside/go/
> pier/Wiki/Talks  , the part of "/pier/Wiki/Talks" is traceable, so
> if you click http://neuquina.lifia.info.unlp.edu.ar:8011/seaside/go/pier/Wiki/Talks
>  you will be able to see the "Talks" page in Pier.
> Isn't this an absolutely clean URL for the "Talks" page?

Yes, it is.
=] Thanks,
Lautaro
 

Cheers,
Lukas

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Randal L. Schwartz
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>>>>> "Lukas" == Lukas Renggli <[hidden email]> writes:

Lukas> I only realize now that you are on VisualWorks. Looks like a bug in  
Lukas> the request parsing and URL decoding there. It works without problems  
Lukas> in Squeak, no matter if I use + or %20 in my URLs.

>From the very early days in the web, + and %20 have been considered
interchangeable in a URL.  However, it's an easy part of the spec to overlook,
or an easy thing not to know if you haven't been around since the early days.

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