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Re: Pharo 4 - current state?

Offray
I found the problem. The issue is that Ctrl + arrow key is now Alt +
Arrow key. The problem is that, in Linux Ctrl key stops working as usual
inside Pharo and is replaced by alt key, which is certainly a problem
when people is used to shorcuts and expect them to behave consistently
between apps.

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 14:15, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió:

> The only preference I can't find is the one which makes Control + arrow
> key move/select words, like is usual on most programs. Should I fill a
> bug report about enabling this preference?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
>
> El 16/03/15 a las 13:48, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió:
>> Thanks Esteban it worked! The only think I did was in "Code Completion"
>> to move from NECController to NOCController to get the same as your
>> screenshot. Should this be made the default one?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Offray
>>
>> El 16/03/15 a las 13:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 19:03, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
>>>> <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> El 16/03/15 a las 12:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive
>>>>>> compared with
>>>>>> the one on Pharo 3.
>>>>>
>>>>> nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Esteban
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, is a feeling so objective that I can record a video of the two
>>>> behaviours :). On Pharo 3 tab after writing some letters shows a
>>>> list of
>>>> possible options containing that letters, on Pharo 4, it inserts a
>>>> tab, with
>>>> no auto-completion at all :-/.
>>>
>>> check your settings, you should have something like this:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Offray
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


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Re: Pharo 4 - current state?

Jan Blizničenko
Hello

Agreed, I know there are some technical limitation to using ctrl, although I don't remember what is the problem exactly, but this shortcut inconsistency is a problem. I experience the same on Windows, sometimes there is ctrl, sometimes alt and sometimes alt with completely unusual char-key, for example in these most basic shortcuts:
select all = alt+A (instead of ctrl+A, interesting thing is ctrl+A works in Playground),
undo = ctrl+Z (which is right), but redo/do again = alt+J (never seen such thing anywhere before, it is mostly ctrl+Y or ctrl+shift+Z).

Could someone recall me why lots of combinations with ctrl do not work in Pharo?

Jan

Offray wrote
I found the problem. The issue is that Ctrl + arrow key is now Alt +
Arrow key. The problem is that, in Linux Ctrl key stops working as usual
inside Pharo and is replaced by alt key, which is certainly a problem
when people is used to shorcuts and expect them to behave consistently
between apps.

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 14:15, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió:
> The only preference I can't find is the one which makes Control + arrow
> key move/select words, like is usual on most programs. Should I fill a
> bug report about enabling this preference?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Offray
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Re: Pharo 4 - current state?

Tudor Girba-2
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The same problem occurs on Windows. It was reported before by Sean, but I think no issue was created. I think this is an important bug. Please open an bug with that and send the link here.

Cheers,
Doru



On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I found the problem. The issue is that Ctrl + arrow key is now Alt + Arrow key. The problem is that, in Linux Ctrl key stops working as usual inside Pharo and is replaced by alt key, which is certainly a problem when people is used to shorcuts and expect them to behave consistently between apps.

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 14:15, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió:

The only preference I can't find is the one which makes Control + arrow
key move/select words, like is usual on most programs. Should I fill a
bug report about enabling this preference?

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 13:48, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió:
Thanks Esteban it worked! The only think I did was in "Code Completion"
to move from NECController to NOCController to get the same as your
screenshot. Should this be made the default one?

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 13:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió:

On 16 Mar 2015, at 19:03, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
<[hidden email]
<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:



El 16/03/15 a las 12:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió:

[...]

1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive
compared with
the one on Pharo 3.

nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :)

Esteban


Well, is a feeling so objective that I can record a video of the two
behaviours :). On Pharo 3 tab after writing some letters shows a
list of
possible options containing that letters, on Pharo 4, it inserts a
tab, with
no auto-completion at all :-/.

check your settings, you should have something like this:




Cheers,

Offray













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Re: Pharo 4 - current state?

Nicolai Hess


There is already an issue on fogbugz:
15086 Ctrl + Arrow Behaviour


2015-03-17 9:56 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]>:
The same problem occurs on Windows. It was reported before by Sean, but I think no issue was created. I think this is an important bug. Please open an bug with that and send the link here.

Cheers,
Doru



On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> wrote:
I found the problem. The issue is that Ctrl + arrow key is now Alt + Arrow key. The problem is that, in Linux Ctrl key stops working as usual inside Pharo and is replaced by alt key, which is certainly a problem when people is used to shorcuts and expect them to behave consistently between apps.

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 14:15, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió:

The only preference I can't find is the one which makes Control + arrow
key move/select words, like is usual on most programs. Should I fill a
bug report about enabling this preference?

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 13:48, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas escribió:
Thanks Esteban it worked! The only think I did was in "Code Completion"
to move from NECController to NOCController to get the same as your
screenshot. Should this be made the default one?

Cheers,

Offray

El 16/03/15 a las 13:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió:

On 16 Mar 2015, at 19:03, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
<[hidden email]
<mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:



El 16/03/15 a las 12:09, Esteban Lorenzano escribió:

[...]

1. Proper tab-autocompletion: it works, but feels unresponsive
compared with
the one on Pharo 3.

nothing changed there, so it is just your feeling :)

Esteban


Well, is a feeling so objective that I can record a video of the two
behaviours :). On Pharo 3 tab after writing some letters shows a
list of
possible options containing that letters, on Pharo 4, it inserts a
tab, with
no auto-completion at all :-/.

check your settings, you should have something like this:




Cheers,

Offray













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"Every thing has its own flow"

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