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sigipa

Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hello All,

I am new to Pharo and Smalltalk in general. I have been experimenting with Pharo 5 trying to get acquainted with the environment and the language. I have been having some issues with the image hanging and crashing. This happens when trying code in the Play Ground and especially when stepping through code in the debugger. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I be using Pharo 4 instead?

I have been testing Pharo on Windows 8 64bit and Ubuntu 14.04 64bit. Could this be a 64bit issue?

Thanks

Tudor Girba-2

Re: Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi,

Pharo 5 is the current release, and you should use this one :).

Do you have a specific scenario that we can use to reproduce the crashing behavior?

Cheers,
Doru

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 11:48 PM, Gerry Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am new to Pharo and Smalltalk in general. I have been experimenting with Pharo 5 trying to get acquainted with the environment and the language. I have been having some issues with the image hanging and crashing. This happens when trying code in the Play Ground and especially when stepping through code in the debugger. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I be using Pharo 4 instead?
>
> I have been testing Pharo on Windows 8 64bit and Ubuntu 14.04 64bit. Could this be a 64bit issue?
>
> Thanks

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www.feenk.com

"What we can governs what we wish."

sigipa

Re: Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi,

I'm afraid I don't have any steps to reproduce the issues at the moment. I was just playing around and it hung or crashed frequently enough that it became a bit tedious. I just wondered, if anyone else was having problems. It would seem that I may be alone in this, so I'll try to figure out what is going on.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba
Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 4:56 PM
To: Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi,

Pharo 5 is the current release, and you should use this one :).

Do you have a specific scenario that we can use to reproduce the crashing behavior?

Cheers,
Doru

> On Jun 4, 2016, at 11:48 PM, Gerry Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I am new to Pharo and Smalltalk in general. I have been experimenting with Pharo 5 trying to get acquainted with the environment and the language. I have been having some issues with the image hanging and crashing. This happens when trying code in the Play Ground and especially when stepping through code in the debugger. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I be using Pharo 4 instead?
>
> I have been testing Pharo on Windows 8 64bit and Ubuntu 14.04 64bit. Could this be a 64bit issue?
>
> Thanks

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

"What we can governs what we wish."

Tudor Girba-2

Re: Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi,

This is certainly not something that should happen. Pharo 5 is deemed ready for production and many of us are using it since a long time :).

It is still possible that you encountered a bug, and having a reproducible case can help us spot it.

Meanwhile, when you say crashing, do you mean that a debugger appeared, or that the image completely quitted? Was it because of a code that you run, or was it because of the interaction with tools?

Cheers,
Doru

> On Jun 5, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Gerry Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm afraid I don't have any steps to reproduce the issues at the moment. I was just playing around and it hung or crashed frequently enough that it became a bit tedious. I just wondered, if anyone else was having problems. It would seem that I may be alone in this, so I'll try to figure out what is going on.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba
> Sent: Saturday, June 4, 2016 4:56 PM
> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 5 hanging and crashing
>
> Hi,
>
> Pharo 5 is the current release, and you should use this one :).
>
> Do you have a specific scenario that we can use to reproduce the crashing behavior?
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
>> On Jun 4, 2016, at 11:48 PM, Gerry Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I am new to Pharo and Smalltalk in general. I have been experimenting with Pharo 5 trying to get acquainted with the environment and the language. I have been having some issues with the image hanging and crashing. This happens when trying code in the Play Ground and especially when stepping through code in the debugger. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I be using Pharo 4 instead?
>>
>> I have been testing Pharo on Windows 8 64bit and Ubuntu 14.04 64bit. Could this be a 64bit issue?
>>
>> Thanks
>
> --
> www.tudorgirba.com
> www.feenk.com
>
> "What we can governs what we wish."
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

"Innovation comes in the least expected form.
That is, if it is expected, it already happened."

sigipa

Re: Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi,

I'm using the term "hanging" to mean that the image locked up or became unresponsive. When I use the term "crashing", I mean the image aborted. I have also seen a few cases where the image would hang first and then abort a few seconds later. This usually results after a few error windows have popped up. I'll try to keep track of when it happens again.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 12:55 AM
To: Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi,

This is certainly not something that should happen. Pharo 5 is deemed ready for production and many of us are using it since a long time :).

It is still possible that you encountered a bug, and having a reproducible case can help us spot it.

Meanwhile, when you say crashing, do you mean that a debugger appeared, or that the image completely quitted? Was it because of a code that you run, or was it because of the interaction with tools?

Cheers,
Doru

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

"Innovation comes in the least expected form.
That is, if it is expected, it already happened."

stepharo

Re: Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

In reply to this post by sigipa

Hi Gerry

I really really want to thank you for such reports. Because we do not have crashes like that on any of our machines.

Now since some months we are looking for a bug related to fonts and FFI. Our main problem is how to reproduce it.

What I suggest is

- try Pharo 40, it is really stable and there is not much difference. It will lower your frustration

- if you want to help us could you let us know if Pharo 60 alpha is working for you?

We will check with Esteban if he can do some coding sessions with the OS you mention.

Stef

Le 4/6/16 à 23:48, Gerry Weaver a écrit :

Hello All,

I am new to Pharo and Smalltalk in general. I have been experimenting with Pharo 5 trying to get acquainted with the environment and the language. I have been having some issues with the image hanging and crashing. This happens when trying code in the Play Ground and especially when stepping through code in the debugger. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I be using Pharo 4 instead?

I have been testing Pharo on Windows 8 64bit and Ubuntu 14.04 64bit. Could this be a 64bit issue?

Thanks

sigipa

Re: Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi,

Since I am in the getting to know Pharo stage, I don’t really see any reason why I couldn’t use the 60 Alpha version. I will switch to that image. if I continue to have problems, I will let you know. It makes sense to see if the latest version has the same behavior.

Thanks

From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of stepharo
Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:13 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Hi Gerry

I really really want to thank you for such reports. Because we do not have crashes like that on any of our machines.

Now since some months we are looking for a bug related to fonts and FFI. Our main problem is how to reproduce it.

What I suggest is

- try Pharo 40, it is really stable and there is not much difference. It will lower your frustration

- if you want to help us could you let us know if Pharo 60 alpha is working for you?

We will check with Esteban if he can do some coding sessions with the OS you mention.

Stef

Le 4/6/16 à 23:48, Gerry Weaver a écrit :

Hello All,

I am new to Pharo and Smalltalk in general. I have been experimenting with Pharo 5 trying to get acquainted with the environment and the language. I have been having some issues with the image hanging and crashing. This happens when trying code in the Play Ground and especially when stepping through code in the debugger. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I be using Pharo 4 instead?

I have been testing Pharo on Windows 8 64bit and Ubuntu 14.04 64bit. Could this be a 64bit issue?

Thanks

Tudor Girba-2

Re: Pharo 5 hanging and crashing

Great!

We need this type of feedback. Keep going.

Thanks,
Doru

> On Jun 5, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Gerry Weaver <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Since I am in the getting to know Pharo stage, I don’t really see any reason why I couldn’t use the 60 Alpha version. I will switch to that image. if I continue to have problems, I will let you know. It makes sense to see if the latest version has the same behavior.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> From: Pharo-users [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of stepharo
> Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 3:13 AM
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 5 hanging and crashing
>
> Hi Gerry
>
> I really really want to thank you for such reports. Because we do not have crashes like that on any of our machines.
>
> Now since some months we are looking for a bug related to fonts and FFI. Our main problem is how to reproduce it.
>
> What I suggest is
>
> - try Pharo 40, it is really stable and there is not much difference. It will lower your frustration
>
> - if you want to help us could you let us know if Pharo 60 alpha is working for you?
>
> We will check with Esteban if he can do some coding sessions with the OS you mention.
>
> Stef
>
> Le 4/6/16 à 23:48, Gerry Weaver a écrit :
> Hello All,
>
> I am new to Pharo and Smalltalk in general. I have been experimenting with Pharo 5 trying to get acquainted with the environment and the language. I have been having some issues with the image hanging and crashing. This happens when trying code in the Play Ground and especially when stepping through code in the debugger. Has anyone had similar problems? Should I be using Pharo 4 instead?
>
> I have been testing Pharo on Windows 8 64bit and Ubuntu 14.04 64bit. Could this be a 64bit issue?
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>

--
www.tudorgirba.com
www.feenk.com

"Some battles are better lost than fought."