Pharo Consortium News: let's make it real.

Hello everybody

We got a final discussion with INRIA representatives and we will now set up a consortium for pharo.
INRIA will support the consortium by funding on advanced engineer for a year (may be two if the
consortium work well). So this is quite good around 55Keuros on consortium.

There some strings attached: We will not be able to pay remote development since this is regulated under the public market french laws
but we will be able to hire people (on french rate if they work in France).  We will have to see the legal period to spent the money.

The general idea is to see how the consortium evolves: ideally we would like to see if we can get it outside inria within a five years
period.

Now what we plan to do:
       - We would like to make the list of companies that sign the agreement letter public.
       Because this is important that other companies joins the consortium.

       - We will offer a free participation to any individual.

       - We are wondering if we could have a academic fee for the institution that want it:
       we have to discuss the fee. Any suggestions would be good: I was thinking that 500 Euros would be good for rich countries
       and 200 for the other ones. Now tell us.

       - We could also have way to pay a license or a way to give money to the consortium.

Now the complex part:
       - we would like to collect money from companies and again we will need your help
       to understand what is the correct model.
               We are thinking:
                       single person company: starting at 300 Euros
                       "small company": starting at 2500 Euros
                       large companies: starting at 5000 Euros.

       We would like to keep the model really simple and transparent.

Now our goal is to be able to pay an engineer like igor full time because there is so much to do.
But each day we get closer to what we want.

Stef and Marcus.

On Oct 11, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote:

> Maybe I didn't understand right, but what you mean is that Pharo is going to end being free of charge for people who use it commercially?

not at all.
I never say that or even think about it.

We are talking about consortium participation. The all point is how can we make sure that as a community we structure ourselves and put
money or time on the table.

> If so, the fees you propose for single-person companies and small companies look a little bit high to me... I would at least make them depend on the benefits or some other kind of deal. Last year I was trying to set up a small company (a dev + a designer) with a friend of mine, and a fee of 2500€ would have definitely been a big barrier for us...

We should find successful small companies :)
After we should have a free moral license so that companies can contribute.

> Also, you need to make very clear how frequently is the company supposed to pay the fee is it one single payment for life, monthly, yearly?

good points.
yearly.

Stef

>
> Cheers,
>
> 2011/10/11 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>
>
> On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> There some strings attached: We will not be able to pay remote development since this is regulated under the public market french laws
> >> but we will be able to hire people (on french rate if they work in France).  We will have to see the legal period to spent the money.
> >
> > this restriction applies to 50k Euro given by INRIA, or to total money
> > collected from all members of consortium?
>
> All money because it will be managed by INRIA as any other INRIA projects (like our team) and we are all following these rules:
>        this is not that we cannot but it means that
>                - we have to spend 2/4-8 weeks to write done what we want
>                - it will be published in the journal official
>                - companies will be able to bid
>                - then there is a selection phase
>                - then you get the work started to the get done
>                The problem is that this is lengthly and you have control the result
>
> Now depending on the situation and the money collected we will be able to hire people but they will have to be located in france.
>
> This is why if the consortium is successful (which we hope) the idea is to get out of INRIA
> but this means that there is nothing like a free lunch
>                - specific accountant
>                - balblbaabablabl
>                - and more
>
> Do not hesitate to ask question.
>
> Stef
>
> >
> > Davorin Rusevljan
> > http://www.cloud208.com/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bernat Romagosa.

On Oct 11, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote:

> Maybe I didn't understand right, but what you mean is that Pharo is going to end being free of charge for people who use it commercially?

not at all.
I never say that or even think about it.

We are talking about consortium participation. The all point is how can we make sure that as a community we structure ourselves and put
money or time on the table.

> If so, the fees you propose for single-person companies and small companies look a little bit high to me... I would at least make them depend on the benefits or some other kind of deal. Last year I was trying to set up a small company (a dev + a designer) with a friend of mine, and a fee of 2500€ would have definitely been a big barrier for us...

We should find successful small companies :)
After we should have a free moral license so that companies can contribute.

> Also, you need to make very clear how frequently is the company supposed to pay the fee is it one single payment for life, monthly, yearly?

good points.
yearly.

Stef

>
> Cheers,
>
> 2011/10/11 Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]>
>
> On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Stéphane Ducasse
> > <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> There some strings attached: We will not be able to pay remote development since this is regulated under the public market french laws
> >> but we will be able to hire people (on french rate if they work in France).  We will have to see the legal period to spent the money.
> >
> > this restriction applies to 50k Euro given by INRIA, or to total money
> > collected from all members of consortium?
>
> All money because it will be managed by INRIA as any other INRIA projects (like our team) and we are all following these rules:
>        this is not that we cannot but it means that
>                - we have to spend 2/4-8 weeks to write done what we want
>                - it will be published in the journal official
>                - companies will be able to bid
>                - then there is a selection phase
>                - then you get the work started to the get done
>                The problem is that this is lengthly and you have control the result
>
> Now depending on the situation and the money collected we will be able to hire people but they will have to be located in france.
>
> This is why if the consortium is successful (which we hope) the idea is to get out of INRIA
> but this means that there is nothing like a free lunch
>                - specific accountant
>                - balblbaabablabl
>                - and more
>
> Do not hesitate to ask question.
>
> Stef
>
> >
> > Davorin Rusevljan
> > http://www.cloud208.com/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bernat Romagosa.