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David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on linux. Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and on which machine distributions vm image please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi Ok, let me explain MY experience. Most of my Pharo work is in Linux (at home). In windows I do little things because it is my work pc. My data: - Dual core 2 1.6 GZ, 2GB RAM - Ubuntu 8.10 - VM: Exupery: pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip - Images: latest Now my comments: 1) Mac hardware is much better than normal pcs 2) Mac VM seems faster than others. I don't know if it is because 1) or any other reason. 3) I did find Pharo still slow. I don't blame to it. I think they are doing the good setps: a) indentify the slow stuff b) try to disable them from Pharo image. This point is REALLY important for me because all of the nice work you are doing won't be see by others. They open an image and if it takes 3 seconds to open a browser, they will close it and never use it again. And what about our 5000 green test? MIT? closure? To trash... c) look at the slow stuff and try to improve it 4) I really don't see a big difference beetween Linux and Windows performance in my case. Both are more or less the same situation. 5) I did see difference BIG difference with this two things: a) compare core to dev b) compare package browser with the simpler one c) compare seaside one click to pharo. I think this is because of b) Because of this, in my pharo images I evaluate this when I download a new image: ToolSet default: StandardToolSet. SystemBrowser default: OBSystemBrowserAdaptor. Preferences enable: #fastDragWindowForMorphic. Preferences disable: #dynamicProtocolActivation. With this, my image is usable enough. But not fast. 6) If you have the image in a SUN or over the network, that's VERY slow. 7) In windows, take care of antivirus like Nod32 because they won't let you use Pharo (mostly when you are snapshooting). My proposal: There were some benchmarks trough different threads. So, what about recollecting all the benchmark we can (even create more if we can) and put them together in a script. We can do like a Poll and send an email to the mailing list. One we have several results, we can extract information from there. From each user we must know which OS and version, which VM and version. The benchmarks can also be run with different configuration (using for example what I told above) and over different images (like core and pharo). Perhaps having all this information we can extract something useful. Best, Mariano
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Stef,
You mean I have to admit what a pathetic old piece of junk I use? :) I'll be happy to tell you what I am using, and I too suspect that the linux vm might be a bit slower than it needs to be. Ideally, one would dual boot to allow a comparison against xp, or 2k. I am starting to consider buying a newer machine. If I do that, I will be willing to convert the current box into a dual boot testing platform, but would hesitate to do that now. I recently repartitioned the drive, and still remember how long it takes to re-re-re-re-re(getting the idea?)check it for errors. It was painful to watch. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:31 PM To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-source Smalltalk Cc: C. David Shaffer Subject: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux Hi David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on linux. Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and on which machine distributions vm image please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Hi, machine: core duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM (White Macbook, 2007) distribution: Archlinux vm: exupery pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip images: pharo0.1-10373dev09.07.2 and latest Pharo-Core Pharo-Core: (System Browser) - startup time: instantaneous - navigate randomly in browser: 3% - 8% CPU usage - find class OrderedCollection: ~10% CPU - browse senders of add: time to open 1s, 21% CPU Pharo-Dev: (Package Browser) - statup time: 3s (cold start 5s) - navigate randomly in browser: 9% - 15% CPU usage - find class OrderedCollection: ~13% CPU - browse senders of add: time to open 19s, 48% CPU Now I'm using Pharo-Core with Luka's scripts (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts) as it's far more pleasant to use for me. Laurent _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Laurent,
I will preface this by
saying that I have had a fairly intense week with Pharo. I am closing in
on a solution to a real problem. I greatly miss Dolphin's Browse-it
command, and its F12 and shift-F12 (definitions/references to a typed selector);
the message search has its points, but it takes some extra steps to use in
comparison to the Dolphin features.
Back to the topic at hand;
let's see if I am following. Start with a core image, run a script that
installs what looks like a Pharo web image, makes a few changes to settings in
favor of speed, and you get something that you find faster than Pharo??
Did you make the same speed selections in Pharo? If so, one wonders what
happened between core and Pharo-dev/web that Lukas did not do to the core
image.
Sorry if I'm off base here -
it's been a long and very good few days.
Bill
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of laurent laffont Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:45 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Hi, machine: core duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM (White Macbook, 2007) distribution: Archlinux vm: exupery pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip images: pharo0.1-10373dev09.07.2 and latest Pharo-Core Pharo-Core: (System Browser) - startup time: instantaneous - navigate randomly in browser: 3% - 8% CPU usage - find class OrderedCollection: ~10% CPU - browse senders of add: time to open 1s, 21% CPU Pharo-Dev: (Package Browser) - statup time: 3s (cold start 5s) - navigate randomly in browser: 9% - 15% CPU usage - find class OrderedCollection: ~13% CPU - browse senders of add: time to open 19s, 48% CPU Now I'm using Pharo-Core with Luka's scripts (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts) as it's far more pleasant to use for me. Laurent _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2009/7/18 Schwab,Wilhelm K <[hidden email]>:
> Back to the topic at hand; let's see if I am following. Start with a core > image, run a script that installs what looks like a Pharo web image, makes a > few changes to settings in favor of speed, and you get something that you > find faster than Pharo?? Did you make the same speed selections in Pharo? > If so, one wonders what happened between core and Pharo-dev/web that Lukas > did not do to the core image. The difference is OB-Enhancements. OB-Enhancements is currently installed in Pharo (not for long) but not in Lukas' script. OB-Enhancements brings a MC package browsing whearead Lukas' brings a Pharo category browsing. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Laurent _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On Jul 18, 2009, at 08:02 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Laurent, > > I will preface this by saying that I have had a fairly intense week > with Pharo. I am closing in on a solution to a real problem. I > greatly miss Dolphin's Browse-it command, and its F12 and shift-F12 > (definitions/references to a typed selector); the message search has > its points, but it takes some extra steps to use in comparison to > the Dolphin features. Isn't Ctrl-b (browse selected class name), Ctrl-m (implementors of selector), Ctrl-n (senders of selector), and Ctrl-shift-n (class references) doing the same? I almost never use the message search but always these shortcuts. Adrian > Back to the topic at hand; let's see if I am following. Start with > a core image, run a script that installs what looks like a Pharo web > image, makes a few changes to settings in favor of speed, and you > get something that you find faster than Pharo?? Did you make the > same speed selections in Pharo? If so, one wonders what happened > between core and Pharo-dev/web that Lukas did not do to the core > image. > > Sorry if I'm off base here - it's been a long and very good few days. > > Bill > > > ________________________________ > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email] > ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:45 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > Hi > > David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on linux. > Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and > on which > machine > distributions > vm > image > > please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) > > _______________________________________________ > > Hi, > > machine: core duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM (White Macbook, 2007) > distribution: Archlinux > vm: exupery pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip > images: pharo0.1-10373dev09.07.2 and latest Pharo-Core > > Pharo-Core: (System Browser) > - startup time: instantaneous > - navigate randomly in browser: 3% - 8% CPU usage > - find class OrderedCollection: ~10% CPU > - browse senders of add: time to open 1s, 21% CPU > > Pharo-Dev: (Package Browser) > - statup time: 3s (cold start 5s) > - navigate randomly in browser: 9% - 15% CPU usage > - find class OrderedCollection: ~13% CPU > - browse senders of add: time to open 19s, 48% CPU > > Now I'm using Pharo-Core with Luka's scripts (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts > ) as it's far more pleasant to use for me. > > Laurent > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2009/7/17 Mariano Martinez Peck <[hidden email]>:
> I did find Pharo still slow. Please try latest Pharo and tell me what you think. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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The message search is just a UI for people that do not know the
keyboard binding and this is more welcoming. I think that if Ocompletion would be integrated there it would be great Stef On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:46 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote: > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 08:02 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Laurent, >> >> I will preface this by saying that I have had a fairly intense week >> with Pharo. I am closing in on a solution to a real problem. I >> greatly miss Dolphin's Browse-it command, and its F12 and shift-F12 >> (definitions/references to a typed selector); the message search has >> its points, but it takes some extra steps to use in comparison to >> the Dolphin features. > > Isn't Ctrl-b (browse selected class name), Ctrl-m (implementors of > selector), Ctrl-n (senders of selector), and Ctrl-shift-n (class > references) doing the same? I almost never use the message search but > always these shortcuts. > > Adrian > >> Back to the topic at hand; let's see if I am following. Start with >> a core image, run a script that installs what looks like a Pharo web >> image, makes a few changes to settings in favor of speed, and you >> get something that you find faster than Pharo?? Did you make the >> same speed selections in Pharo? If so, one wonders what happened >> between core and Pharo-dev/web that Lukas did not do to the core >> image. >> >> Sorry if I'm off base here - it's been a long and very good few days. >> >> Bill >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email] >> ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:45 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> Hi >> >> David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on >> linux. >> Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and >> on which >> machine >> distributions >> vm >> image >> >> please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Hi, >> >> machine: core duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM (White Macbook, 2007) >> distribution: Archlinux >> vm: exupery pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip >> images: pharo0.1-10373dev09.07.2 and latest Pharo-Core >> >> Pharo-Core: (System Browser) >> - startup time: instantaneous >> - navigate randomly in browser: 3% - 8% CPU usage >> - find class OrderedCollection: ~10% CPU >> - browse senders of add: time to open 1s, 21% CPU >> >> Pharo-Dev: (Package Browser) >> - statup time: 3s (cold start 5s) >> - navigate randomly in browser: 9% - 15% CPU usage >> - find class OrderedCollection: ~13% CPU >> - browse senders of add: time to open 19s, 48% CPU >> >> Now I'm using Pharo-Core with Luka's scripts (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts >> ) as it's far more pleasant to use for me. >> >> Laurent >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2) Mac VM seems faster than others. I don't know if it is because 1)
or any other reason This is because of compiler version choice, compiler options, tweaking, and from time to time re-verification of what is going on... So yes the mac vm can be 30%, but maybe someone can check that -- =========================================================================== John M. McIntosh <[hidden email]> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com =========================================================================== _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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They might be (I'll have to use them for a while), though I would still like to see especially the browse command along side of evaluate/inspect/explore in the menus.
Thanks, Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:46 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux On Jul 18, 2009, at 08:02 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Laurent, > > I will preface this by saying that I have had a fairly intense week > with Pharo. I am closing in on a solution to a real problem. I > greatly miss Dolphin's Browse-it command, and its F12 and shift-F12 > (definitions/references to a typed selector); the message search has > its points, but it takes some extra steps to use in comparison to the > Dolphin features. Isn't Ctrl-b (browse selected class name), Ctrl-m (implementors of selector), Ctrl-n (senders of selector), and Ctrl-shift-n (class references) doing the same? I almost never use the message search but always these shortcuts. Adrian > Back to the topic at hand; let's see if I am following. Start with a > core image, run a script that installs what looks like a Pharo web > image, makes a few changes to settings in favor of speed, and you get > something that you find faster than Pharo?? Did you make the same > speed selections in Pharo? If so, one wonders what happened between > core and Pharo-dev/web that Lukas did not do to the core image. > > Sorry if I'm off base here - it's been a long and very good few days. > > Bill > > > ________________________________ > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email] > ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:45 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse > <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > Hi > > David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on linux. > Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and on > which > machine > distributions > vm > image > > please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) > > _______________________________________________ > > Hi, > > machine: core duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM (White Macbook, 2007) > distribution: Archlinux > vm: exupery pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip > images: pharo0.1-10373dev09.07.2 and latest Pharo-Core > > Pharo-Core: (System Browser) > - startup time: instantaneous > - navigate randomly in browser: 3% - 8% CPU usage > - find class OrderedCollection: ~10% CPU > - browse senders of add: time to open 1s, 21% CPU > > Pharo-Dev: (Package Browser) > - statup time: 3s (cold start 5s) > - navigate randomly in browser: 9% - 15% CPU usage > - find class OrderedCollection: ~13% CPU > - browse senders of add: time to open 19s, 48% CPU > > Now I'm using Pharo-Core with Luka's scripts > (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts > ) as it's far more pleasant to use for me. > > Laurent > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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These actions are in the submenu "extended search".
HTH, Adrian On Jul 18, 2009, at 15:00 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > They might be (I'll have to use them for a while), though I would > still like to see especially the browse command along side of > evaluate/inspect/explore in the menus. > > Thanks, > > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email] > ] On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:46 AM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux > > > On Jul 18, 2009, at 08:02 , Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Laurent, >> >> I will preface this by saying that I have had a fairly intense week >> with Pharo. I am closing in on a solution to a real problem. I >> greatly miss Dolphin's Browse-it command, and its F12 and shift-F12 >> (definitions/references to a typed selector); the message search has >> its points, but it takes some extra steps to use in comparison to the >> Dolphin features. > > Isn't Ctrl-b (browse selected class name), Ctrl-m (implementors of > selector), Ctrl-n (senders of selector), and Ctrl-shift-n (class > references) doing the same? I almost never use the message search > but always these shortcuts. > > Adrian > >> Back to the topic at hand; let's see if I am following. Start with a >> core image, run a script that installs what looks like a Pharo web >> image, makes a few changes to settings in favor of speed, and you get >> something that you find faster than Pharo?? Did you make the same >> speed selections in Pharo? If so, one wonders what happened between >> core and Pharo-dev/web that Lukas did not do to the core image. >> >> Sorry if I'm off base here - it's been a long and very good few days. >> >> Bill >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email] >> ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont >> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 12:45 AM >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo apparently slow on linux >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Stéphane Ducasse >> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> Hi >> >> David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on >> linux. >> Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and on >> which >> machine >> distributions >> vm >> image >> >> please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Hi, >> >> machine: core duo 2.0 GHz, 1 GB RAM (White Macbook, 2007) >> distribution: Archlinux >> vm: exupery pharo-vm-0.15.1b-linux.zip >> images: pharo0.1-10373dev09.07.2 and latest Pharo-Core >> >> Pharo-Core: (System Browser) >> - startup time: instantaneous >> - navigate randomly in browser: 3% - 8% CPU usage >> - find class OrderedCollection: ~10% CPU >> - browse senders of add: time to open 1s, 21% CPU >> >> Pharo-Dev: (Package Browser) >> - statup time: 3s (cold start 5s) >> - navigate randomly in browser: 9% - 15% CPU usage >> - find class OrderedCollection: ~13% CPU >> - browse senders of add: time to open 19s, 48% CPU >> >> Now I'm using Pharo-Core with Luka's scripts >> (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/ImageBuildScripts >> ) as it's far more pleasant to use for me. >> >> Laurent >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Rehi,
I experienced vm-does-not-start-anyway on linux. This make a throughout of 0 instructions/sec; rather slow... Cheers, Andreas Stéphane Ducasse schrieb: > Hi > > David shaffer reported to me in fuzzy way that pharo is slow on linux. > Dear linux users can you report if you experienced the same and > on which > machine > distributions > vm > image > > please compare the core and the dev (with browser usage) > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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