Pharo-beginner mailing list ?

Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@...> writes:

> @Adrian: the forum idea is nice but I do not why it did not work for
> Smalltalk. I went to the site you mentioned but I could not get how
> it works.

You ask, they answer (or if you are in for points: they ask, you answer). It is
 the major *open and free* site for questions & answers regarding programming.
 Well, I will not attempt to explain stackoverflow beyond that...

A general web 2.0 platform can of course not replace a dedicated community
 platform. But being present on the *now* web (average time for a answer on SO
 is about 2 minutes!) is a must these days. A strategy for the pharo twitter
 account might also improve visibility as well as accessibility. Linking to
 awesome mailing list or blog posts, both from Pharo, Smalltalk *and* outside,
 would be my suggestion.

Sorry to say, but mailing lists are parent's technology :)

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Hi guys!

Maybe it could be good idea to rename this list to pharo-dev?

pharo-user, pharo-dev, a perfect balance in name and content :)

Best regards
Janko

On 30. 12. 2009 18:46, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> ok let us wait to get more feedback on the idea...
>
> Stef

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Hernán Morales Durand wrote

Hi Stef,
More than beginners, I would like mailing list for non-developers, i.e. bussines people, project managers/leaders, for discussing project feasibility with Pharo, sharing work experiences, etc. This mailing list would not contain discussions about the deep internals of Pharo (we cannot hide forever inside those technical details which nobody understands :). It is important for people with bussines or marketing
vocabulary to know how to sell a product like Pharo to his coleagues or inside a company.

Besides, there are a lot of people which doesn't like mailing lists.  They simply won't subscribe and IMHO it has nothing to do with the technical quality of individuals, this is a matter of customs (check out all of those .Net/Java/SQL forums out there like codeguru.com or db4o.com). Maybe in the middle or long term, having a web forum would be a good idea.

Regards, and happy new year.

Hernán

+1 on this train of thought

I also see a  difference between the people building/maintaining Pharo(-Core) & Pharo(-dev/web) and those using Pharo.

I am not a mailing-list person - I prefer the online (Nabble) discussion forum - so I don't have email overload problems but a separate forum would be useful.

Janko Mivšek wrote

Hi guys!

Maybe it could be good idea to rename this list to pharo-dev?

pharo-user, pharo-dev, a perfect balance in name and content :)

Best regards
Janko

Maybe even:
- Pharo-Core: maintaining and publishing Core/Dev/Web images
- Pharo-IDE: Pharo usage, maintaining and publishing tools/systems/components (tools/components can even be sub-groups?)

Janko,

As in Smalltalk we really care about names, I vote for maintaining the name "project" as the intended audience of this list is to gather developers and early users so even who has less skill or inclination to do coding can contribute with suggestions and bug reports.

my 0.019999....

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Em 31/12/2009 05:48, Janko Mivšek <[hidden email]> escreveu:


Hi guys!

Maybe it could be good idea to rename this list to pharo-dev?

pharo-user, pharo-dev, a perfect balance in name and content :)

Best regards
Janko

On 30. 12. 2009 18:46, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
> ok let us wait to get more feedback on the idea...
>
> Stef

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On 31/12/2009 00:34, Adrian Kuhn wrote:
I have to admit I dislike web forums and actually feel they're kinda
primitive due to the way you need to go to each of them to keep up
instead of having everything come to you in one place.

Wasn't one of the points of computers to get rid of manually doing
everything yourself like this? ;)


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Adrian Kuhn wrote:

> For example, one thing we could do is pushing Stackoverflow. They have a large
>  userbase and excellent google ranks. When you ask a question on SO, it appears
>  *immediately* on google!

StackOverflow is good. I recently asked a Pharo question there about
missing browser features (can't show/exclude methods from superclasses)
and got a few responses, so people will read Smalltalk questions.




                   Steve

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