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Adam-2
Hello,

I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to
Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo
and what thay can do.

Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
please, post it to me.

Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a
core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other
important projects and frameworks.

Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names
or logos of projects that are related to them.

Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.

I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
important (or enterprise ready...?).

As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick
and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If  anybody
have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.

Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization
based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)

Have a nice day,

Adam.

 

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Re: Pharo family

Ben Coman
Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
* "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
* "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
* Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
is in bootstrap and the normal Image.

cheers -ben

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to
> Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo
> and what thay can do.
>
> Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
> please, post it to me.
>
> Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a
> core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other
> important projects and frameworks.
>
> Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names
> or logos of projects that are related to them.
>
> Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
>
> I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
> important (or enterprise ready...?).
>
> As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick
> and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If  anybody
> have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
>
> Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization
> based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Adam.
>
>

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Re: Pharo family

volkert-2
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+1

i like the idea of a pharo capability map with all the related projects
and framework. i have the same feeling as you. For a newcomer its is
really hard get a picture of what is behind the plenty strange framework
names.  A structured list of the main frameworks with a short
description would be helpfull.

Why not starting with a overview of the ecosystem & projects and put it
on github (https://github.com/pharo-project).

I will support you.

BW,
Volkert

On 04.10.2015 01:54, [hidden email] wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to
> Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo
> and what thay can do.
>
> Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
> please, post it to me.
>
> Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a
> core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other
> important projects and frameworks.
>
> Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names
> or logos of projects that are related to them.
>
> Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
>
> I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
> important (or enterprise ready...?).
>
> As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick
> and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If  anybody
> have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
>
> Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization
> based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Adam.
>
>  


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Re: Pharo family

Adam-2
as You suggested I prepared list of projects in github. I was not able to add
it into pharo-project, so I created it under my account.
https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family

Still it is very incomplete version. More projects can be included, more
details can be added. And moreover hierarchy of concepts could be more like
this:
Data/modelling
Data/persistency
Data/persistency/database
Data/conversion

Adam.

Dne Ne 4. října 2015 17:38:31, Volkert napsal(a):

> +1
>
> i like the idea of a pharo capability map with all the related projects
> and framework. i have the same feeling as you. For a newcomer its is
> really hard get a picture of what is behind the plenty strange framework
> names.  A structured list of the main frameworks with a short
> description would be helpfull.
>
> Why not starting with a overview of the ecosystem & projects and put it
> on github (https://github.com/pharo-project).
>
> I will support you.
>
> BW,
> Volkert
>
> On 04.10.2015 01:54, [hidden email] wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
> > related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
> > around Pharo and what thay can do.
> >
> > Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
> > please, post it to me.
> >
> > Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
> > a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
> > other important projects and frameworks.
> >
> > Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
> > names or logos of projects that are related to them.
> >
> > Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
> >
> > I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
> > important (or enterprise ready...?).
> >
> > As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
> > quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
> > If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
> > to this map.
> >
> > Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
> > visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
> > mind-mapping) :)
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> >
> > Adam.


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Adam-2
In reply to this post by Ben Coman
I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing
it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
- Zinc is now inside
- More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can
change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is
important to know from this point of view).

Adam.

Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):

> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
>
> cheers -ben
>
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
> > related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
> > around Pharo and what thay can do.
> >
> > Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
> > please, post it to me.
> >
> > Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
> > a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
> > other important projects and frameworks.
> >
> > Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
> > names or logos of projects that are related to them.
> >
> > Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
> >
> > I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
> > important (or enterprise ready...?).
> >
> > As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
> > quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
> > If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
> > to this map.
> >
> > Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
> > visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
> > mind-mapping) :)
> >
> > Have a nice day,
> >
> > Adam.


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Re: Pharo family

Ben Coman
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 6:10 AM, Adam <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing
> it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
> - Zinc is now inside
> - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can
> change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
> bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is
> important to know from this point of view).

Bootstrap refers to work being done to "bootstrap the core" per item 4.5 of...
https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/30434/PharoVision.pdf

I had a go at breaking a few bootstrap dependencies...
   https://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-dev@.../msg32799.html
and at times found myself wondering whether the refactored alternative
I was proposing didn't introduce additional dependencies.  It would be
nice to have some view quick view of which packages are at which level
- but revisiting my thoughts, this is probably more low level than
you're aiming at, at the project level.

cheers -ben

>
> Adam.
>
> Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
>> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
>> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
>> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
>> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
>> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
>> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
>>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
>> > related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
>> > around Pharo and what thay can do.
>> >
>> > Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
>> > please, post it to me.
>> >
>> > Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
>> > a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
>> > other important projects and frameworks.
>> >
>> > Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
>> > names or logos of projects that are related to them.
>> >
>> > Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
>> >
>> > I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
>> > important (or enterprise ready...?).
>> >
>> > As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
>> > quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
>> > If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
>> > to this map.
>> >
>> > Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
>> > visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
>> > mind-mapping) :)
>> >
>> > Have a nice day,
>> >
>> > Adam.
>
>

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volkert-2
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I would be happy if Pharo as something like this

https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects

or

this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.

That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be
combined with your meta information.

BW,
Volkert

On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:

> I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing
> it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
> - Zinc is now inside
> - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can
> change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
> bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is
> important to know from this point of view).
>
> Adam.
>
> Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
>> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
>> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
>> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
>> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
>> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
>> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
>>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
>>> related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
>>> around Pharo and what thay can do.
>>>
>>> Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
>>> please, post it to me.
>>>
>>> Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
>>> a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
>>> other important projects and frameworks.
>>>
>>> Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
>>> names or logos of projects that are related to them.
>>>
>>> Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
>>>
>>> I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
>>> important (or enterprise ready...?).
>>>
>>> As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
>>> quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
>>> If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
>>> to this map.
>>>
>>> Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
>>> visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
>>> mind-mapping) :)
>>>
>>> Have a nice day,
>>>
>>> Adam.
>


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Re: Pharo family

EstebanLM
well, we have http://catalog.pharo.org
who was there as a temporal solution who does not seems to be going away this year… so it can be enhanced to provide grouping/better links/etc. easily, I think.

Esteban


> On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:38, Volkert <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I would be happy if Pharo as something like this
>
> https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects
>
> or
>
> this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.
>
> That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be combined with your meta information.
>
> BW,
> Volkert
>
> On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:
>> I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before drawing
>> it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
>> - Zinc is now inside
>> - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You can
>> change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
>> bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why it is
>> important to know from this point of view).
>>
>> Adam.
>>
>> Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
>>> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
>>> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
>>> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
>>> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
>>> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
>>> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
>>>
>>> cheers -ben
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
>>>> related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects
>>>> around Pharo and what thay can do.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
>>>> please, post it to me.
>>>>
>>>> Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be
>>>> a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are
>>>> other important projects and frameworks.
>>>>
>>>> Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
>>>> names or logos of projects that are related to them.
>>>>
>>>> Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
>>>> important (or enterprise ready...?).
>>>>
>>>> As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
>>>> quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
>>>> If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them
>>>> to this map.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
>>>> visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
>>>> mind-mapping) :)
>>>>
>>>> Have a nice day,
>>>>
>>>> Adam.
>>
>
>


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Re: Pharo family

Adam-2
Both would be good.
I have find catalog You mentioned, but it lacks grouping and also it has too
many projects.
It would be good to have structured catalog of almost all projects. But I
think that map of main projects will be also very useful especially to
newcommers.

Adam.

Dne Po 5. října 2015 19:58:48, Esteban Lorenzano napsal(a):

> well, we have http://catalog.pharo.org
> who was there as a temporal solution who does not seems to be going away
> this year… so it can be enhanced to provide grouping/better links/etc.
> easily, I think.
>
> Esteban
>
> > On 05 Oct 2015, at 19:38, Volkert <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > I would be happy if Pharo as something like this
> >
> > https://github.com/golang/go/wiki/Projects
> >
> > or
> >
> > this https://github.com/h4cc/awesome-elixir.
> >
> > That is not exactly what you have in mind, but I think this can be
> > combined with your meta information.
> >
> > BW,
> > Volkert
> >
> > On 05.10.2015 00:10, Adam wrote:
> >> I move the map into github in textual file for completing it before
> >> drawing
> >> it: https://github.com/AdamSadovsky/pharo-family
> >> - Zinc is now inside
> >> - More circles can be added. I generalized it under "position", so You
> >> can
> >> change it into something else then "inside image". I dont even know what
> >> bootstrap is (it has to do something with the loading probably, but why
> >> it is important to know from this point of view).
> >>
> >> Adam.
> >>
> >> Dne Ne 4. října 2015 20:26:57, Ben Coman napsal(a):
> >>> Interesting idea.  Some feedback:
> >>> * "Zinc" should probably be inside the circle
> >>> * "SUnit" seems to have greater emphasis, such that for a moment it
> >>> seemed that this was the label for everything in the circle.
> >>> * Later it might be interesting to have several circles, showing what
> >>> is in bootstrap and the normal Image.
> >>>
> >>> cheers -ben
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 7:54 AM,  <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts
> >>>> related to Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of
> >>>> projects
> >>>> around Pharo and what thay can do.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If
> >>>> so,
> >>>> please, post it to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should
> >>>> be
> >>>> a core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there
> >>>> are
> >>>> other important projects and frameworks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are
> >>>> names or logos of projects that are related to them.
> >>>>
> >>>> Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby
> >>>> project.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are
> >>>> very
> >>>> important (or enterprise ready...?).
> >>>>
> >>>> As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very
> >>>> quick and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But
> >>>> If  anybody have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include
> >>>> them
> >>>> to this map.
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some
> >>>> visualization based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like
> >>>> mind-mapping) :)
> >>>>
> >>>> Have a nice day,
> >>>>
> >>>> Adam.


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stepharo
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Have a look at the book EntreprisePharo: a web perspective it will help
you get some names :)


Le 4/10/15 01:54, [hidden email] a écrit :

> Hello,
>
> I just did a quick scatch of some projects, frameworks and concepts related to
> Pharo. I did it because I em confused of the cloud of projects around Pharo
> and what thay can do.
>
> Maybe somewhere already exists similar list. Maybe in textual form. If so,
> please, post it to me.
>
> Image starts in the center where Pharo logo is. Around it, there should be a
> core of Pharo (included in the image). Outside of this core, there are other
> important projects and frameworks.
>
> Text in ovals should represent main concepts and around them there are names
> or logos of projects that are related to them.
>
> Text in rectangles should represents  main attributes of nearby project.
>
> I would also like to draw bigger text or logos of projects that are very
> important (or enterprise ready...?).
>
> As you can see, it lacks lots of things (mostly because I draw it very quick
> and did not study every projects and every book about Pharo). But If  anybody
> have anything to contribute, I will be happy to include them to this map.
>
> Maybe it will be also better to create this picture through some visualization
> based on descriptive syntax of this hierarchy map (like mind-mapping) :)
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Adam.
>
>