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Johan Brichau-2

Pharo on retina macbook

Hi,

I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?

Johan

Ben Coman

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

Johan Brichau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
> I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?
>
> Johan
>
>

What version of Pharo?
What version of OSX?
What fonts?

I'm not sure of these details, but it will give you some things to think
about and try (and someone can correct me otherwise).
* Pharo's default font is still a bitmap StikeFont.
* StrikeFont bitmaps are sub-pixel anti-aliased.
* Sub-pixel anti-aliases
* Retina display sometimes have sub-pixel rendering turned off, or maybe
otherwise problem.

Try...
* Choosing a TrueType font
* Changing some OSX display settings
*
http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering
*
http://superuser.com/questions/457153/getting-crisper-fonts-in-os-x-after-switching-from-windows
* http://www.macworld.com/article/1145157/smoothsnow.html
*
http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering

Please report your results.
cheers -ben

Tudor Girba-2

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

Hi,

This should be a known issue as it was raised before. The problem occurs with any font. It has to do with the VM as far as I understood. I am not sure what is needed to be done, though.

Cheers,

Doru

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Johan Brichau wrote:

Hi,

I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?

Johan

What version of Pharo?
What version of OSX?
What fonts?

I'm not sure of these details, but it will give you some things to think about and try (and someone can correct me otherwise).
* Pharo's default font is still a bitmap StikeFont. * StrikeFont bitmaps are sub-pixel anti-aliased.
* Sub-pixel anti-aliases
* Retina display sometimes have sub-pixel rendering turned off, or maybe otherwise problem.

Try...
* Choosing a TrueType font
* Changing some OSX display settings
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering
* http://superuser.com/questions/457153/getting-crisper-fonts-in-os-x-after-switching-from-windows
* http://www.macworld.com/article/1145157/smoothsnow.html
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering

Please report your results.
cheers -ben

www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

Igor Stasenko

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

on retina, the display bitmap are 2x scaled.

On 4 September 2014 09:56, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

This should be a known issue as it was raised before. The problem occurs with any font. It has to do with the VM as far as I understood. I am not sure what is needed to be done, though.

Cheers,
Doru

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Johan Brichau wrote:

Hi,

I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?

Johan

What version of Pharo?
What version of OSX?
What fonts?

I'm not sure of these details, but it will give you some things to think about and try (and someone can correct me otherwise).
* Pharo's default font is still a bitmap StikeFont. * StrikeFont bitmaps are sub-pixel anti-aliased.
* Sub-pixel anti-aliases
* Retina display sometimes have sub-pixel rendering turned off, or maybe otherwise problem.

Try...
* Choosing a TrueType font
* Changing some OSX display settings
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering
* http://superuser.com/questions/457153/getting-crisper-fonts-in-os-x-after-switching-from-windows
* http://www.macworld.com/article/1145157/smoothsnow.html
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering

Please report your results.
cheers -ben

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

Igor Stasenko

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

i'm wrong.. it scales only on ipads..

not on OS X.

On 4 September 2014 11:09, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:

on retina, the display bitmap are 2x scaled.

On 4 September 2014 09:56, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

This should be a known issue as it was raised before. The problem occurs with any font. It has to do with the VM as far as I understood. I am not sure what is needed to be done, though.

Cheers,
Doru

On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Johan Brichau wrote:

Hi,

I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?

Johan

What version of Pharo?
What version of OSX?
What fonts?

I'm not sure of these details, but it will give you some things to think about and try (and someone can correct me otherwise).
* Pharo's default font is still a bitmap StikeFont. * StrikeFont bitmaps are sub-pixel anti-aliased.
* Sub-pixel anti-aliases
* Retina display sometimes have sub-pixel rendering turned off, or maybe otherwise problem.

Try...
* Choosing a TrueType font
* Changing some OSX display settings
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering
* http://superuser.com/questions/457153/getting-crisper-fonts-in-os-x-after-switching-from-windows
* http://www.macworld.com/article/1145157/smoothsnow.html
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering

Please report your results.
cheers -ben

--
www.tudorgirba.com

"Every thing has its own flow"

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko.

Volkert

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

In reply to this post by Johan Brichau-2

I have the same problem with a Lenovo Yoga2 13 (Win 8.1) with a QHD+
Display. It has 3200x1800 px.

BW,
Volkert

Am 04.09.2014 um 07:46 schrieb Johan Brichau:
> Hi,
>
> I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
> I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?
>
> Johan

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Ben Coman

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

In reply to this post by Johan Brichau-2

Johan Brichau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
> I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?
>
> Johan
>
>

Oh! I just found the real cause of your problem. It turtles all the way
down...
http://xkcd.com/1416/

Johan Brichau-2

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

In reply to this post by Tudor Girba-2

Hi again,

This should be a known issue as it was raised before. The problem occurs with any font. It has to do with the VM as far as I understood. I am not sure what is needed to be done, though.

I know this was raised when the retina display came out but I did not follow any development since I was not using one.

Now, I thought it had been fixed because, surely, I must not be the only one using a retina macbook with Pharo?

Anyway, I can understand if this is a known issue but is it well understood what should be done?

What version of Pharo?

30856

What version of OSX?

10.9.4

What fonts?

Any font that I can select in Pharo actually.

thanks for the links below. I will try and report results.

Johan

I'm not sure of these details, but it will give you some things to think about and try (and someone can correct me otherwise).
* Pharo's default font is still a bitmap StikeFont. * StrikeFont bitmaps are sub-pixel anti-aliased.
* Sub-pixel anti-aliases
* Retina display sometimes have sub-pixel rendering turned off, or maybe otherwise problem.

Try...
* Choosing a TrueType font
* Changing some OSX display settings
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering
* http://superuser.com/questions/457153/getting-crisper-fonts-in-os-x-after-switching-from-windows
* http://www.macworld.com/article/1145157/smoothsnow.html
* http://graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/questions/8277/how-does-apples-retina-display-affect-sub-pixel-rendering

Please report your results.

Tommaso DS

Re: Pharo on retina macbook

In reply to this post by Johan Brichau-2

On 04/09/14 07:46, Johan Brichau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just started using a Macbook pro with retina display.
> I notice the fonts are quite blurry. Is there something one can do to improve that?
>
> Johan
Hi,

I use a Macbook pro with retina. Some time ago I found that you can run
Pharo in "Low resolution mode".
You can try that by right-clicking on the virtual machine application,
selecting "Get Info" and checking "Open in low resolution".

See if that improves the situation for you until the problem is
addressed on a higher level.

Tommaso