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Alexandre Bergel
Dear List,

I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference software  
composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days already.
When I google: software composition 2009
I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?  
I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using  
pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
Anyone can confirm this please?

Regards,
Alexandre
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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Philippe Marschall
2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
> Dear List,
>
> I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference software
> composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days already.
> When I google: software composition 2009
> I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?
> I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using
> pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
> Anyone can confirm this please?

You can try:
http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier
but that requires access to the Apache.

Cheers
Philippe

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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Alexandre Bergel
Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed  
by google ?
I hope this is not the case...

Alexandre


On 14 Nov 2008, at 10:30, Philippe Marschall wrote:

> 2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference  
>> software
>> composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days  
>> already.
>> When I google: software composition 2009
>> I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?
>> I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using
>> pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
>> Anyone can confirm this please?
>
> You can try:
> http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier
> but that requires access to the Apache.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Alexandre Bergel
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Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed  
by google ?
I hope this is not the case...

We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/
This will help in getting indexed by google?

Alexandre


On 14 Nov 2008, at 10:30, Philippe Marschall wrote:

> 2008/11/14 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
>> Dear List,
>>
>> I recently set up a Pier on seasidehosting for the conference  
>> software
>> composition 2009. The website has been up for a couple of days  
>> already.
>> When I google: software composition 2009
>> I have no hit on http://sc2009.seasidehosting.st/pier . Any idea why?
>> I have no experience with google ranking. I do not think that using
>> pier and seasidehosting prevent google from indexing this website.
>> Anyone can confirm this please?
>
> You can try:
> http://www.a3aan.st/Sunrise/Sitemap+for+Pier
> but that requires access to the Apache.
>
> Cheers
> Philippe
>
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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Damien Pollet
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be indexed
> by google ?
> I hope this is not the case...

No. But it will index URLs with different seaside keys as different
pages, instead of ignoring the keys (if I'm understanding correctly)

> We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/
> This will help in getting indexed by google?

Depends what you mean by redirection. The links on the web site point
to seasidehosting but the URL bar in the browser stays on the URL
above so I'm not sure what it's doing.

In any case, it would help if the sitemap plugin in pier was
automatically listening on a "correct" url like
/seaside/pier/sitemap.xml. Probably just a matter of giving that name
to the structure, but I'm not sure if the SitemapDownloadPlainView
command will be set accordingly…

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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Alexandre Bergel
>> Does this mean that without using Apache the content cannot be  
>> indexed
>> by google ?
>> I hope this is not the case...
>
> No. But it will index URLs with different seaside keys as different
> pages, instead of ignoring the keys (if I'm understanding correctly)

This means that the website will not be well ranked

>> We set up a redirection http://www.2009.software-composition.org/
>> This will help in getting indexed by google?
>
> Depends what you mean by redirection. The links on the web site point
> to seasidehosting but the URL bar in the browser stays on the URL
> above so I'm not sure what it's doing.
>
> In any case, it would help if the sitemap plugin in pier was
> automatically listening on a "correct" url like
> /seaside/pier/sitemap.xml. Probably just a matter of giving that name
> to the structure, but I'm not sure if the SitemapDownloadPlainView
> command will be set accordingly…

But Apache is needed for this no ? And Seasidehosting does not use it  
it seems to...

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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Lukas Renggli
> But Apache is needed for this no ? And Seasidehosting does not use it
> it seems to...

Did you read the FAQ?

seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.

Lukas

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Alexandre Bergel
> Did you read the FAQ?

The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of  
questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"

> seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
> seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.

Googling: software composition 2009
does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org

Am I not sure where the problem come from.
My page comes first where I put a link on it.
I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org

Is this normal?

Cheers,
Alexandre

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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Lukas Renggli
> Googling: software composition 2009
> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Is this normal?

I don't know what you are talking about?

It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody, as
Google provides different results  depending on your personal profile.

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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Giuseppe
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Are you sure?



El 24/11/2008, a las 20:47, Alexandre Bergel escribió:

>> Did you read the FAQ?
>
> The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of
> questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"
>
>> seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
>> seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.
>
> Googling: software composition 2009
> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Is this normal?
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

stéphane ducasse-2
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this is the same for me
On Nov 24, 2008, at 9:03 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> software composition 2009


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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Adrian Lienhard
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Hi Alex

Here are some suggestions:
- make as many important sites as possible link to your site (your  
page rank is 0..)
- provide a sitemap.xml and link it from robots.txt
- with Google webmaster tools regster the sitemap.xml
- do not use frames (this is last century ;))
- add more content so that the important keywords are included in the  
text
- add meta keywords and a description

HTH,
Adrian

On Nov 24, 2008, at 20:47 , Alexandre Bergel wrote:

>> Did you read the FAQ?
>
> The word "google" and "apache" does not appear in the list of
> questions when pressing "Support/FAQ"
>
>> seasidehosting.st uses apache and many sites that run on
>> seasidehosting.st (for exemple seaside.st) are indexed by google.
>
> Googling: software composition 2009
> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>
> Is this normal?
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
>
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Re: Pier, seasidehosting, and google

Philippe Marschall
2008/11/24, Adrian Lienhard <[hidden email]>:
> Hi Alex
>
> Here are some suggestions:
> - make as many important sites as possible link to your site (your
> page rank is 0..)
> - provide a sitemap.xml and link it from robots.txt
> - with Google webmaster tools regster the sitemap.xml

- have a look at the feedback Google webmaster tools provides

Cheers
Philippe

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Alexandre Bergel
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Google enable one to enter link for a given set of keywords. I added  
them this morning. Maybe this is why now.
But I have completely different results than what Giuseppe showed...  
amazing

Alexandre


On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:03, Lukas Renggli wrote:

>> Googling: software composition 2009
>> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>
>> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
>> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
>> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>
>> Is this normal?
>
> I don't know what you are talking about?
>
> It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody, as
> Google provides different results  depending on your personal profile.
>
> Lukas
>
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Даниил Баскаков-2
Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages
(Metas, Pier Syntax etc.).
Is it a security problem?

Daniel.


2008/11/25 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:

> Google enable one to enter link for a given set of keywords. I added
> them this morning. Maybe this is why now.
> But I have completely different results than what Giuseppe showed...
> amazing
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:03, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>>> Googling: software composition 2009
>>> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
>>> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
>>> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Is this normal?
>>
>> I don't know what you are talking about?
>>
>> It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody, as
>> Google provides different results  depending on your personal profile.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
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Lukas Renggli
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Baskakov Daniel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages
> (Metas, Pier Syntax etc.).
> Is it a security problem?

It is not strictly a bug, because the inner pages are not hidden.
Hoever it is a bit strange from the end user perspective, so I changed
the widgets to not display structures that have a hidden parent. At
the same time I simplified the settings for the highlighting.

Name: Pier-Seaside-lr.320
Author: lr
Time: 25 November 2008, 9:38:14 am
UUID: 7c980953-92ea-4105-8e92-7b5d026bd2b1
Ancestors: Pier-Seaside-lr.319

- do not display a structure in the widget if one of the parents is hidden
- removed properties highlight and highlight path, instead add the
classes 'active' and 'path' if appropriate

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Tudor Girba-3
He, that is a nice one. I have been thinking about adding a searchable  
checkbox, but I think this solution is simpler and should work just  
fine.

Cheers,
Doru


On Nov 25, 2008, at 9:39 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Baskakov Daniel <[hidden email]>  
> wrote:
>> Hmm... It looks like Search widget allows to walk on inner pages
>> (Metas, Pier Syntax etc.).
>> Is it a security problem?
>
> It is not strictly a bug, because the inner pages are not hidden.
> Hoever it is a bit strange from the end user perspective, so I changed
> the widgets to not display structures that have a hidden parent. At
> the same time I simplified the settings for the highlighting.
>
> Name: Pier-Seaside-lr.320
> Author: lr
> Time: 25 November 2008, 9:38:14 am
> UUID: 7c980953-92ea-4105-8e92-7b5d026bd2b1
> Ancestors: Pier-Seaside-lr.319
>
> - do not display a structure in the widget if one of the parents is  
> hidden
> - removed properties highlight and highlight path, instead add the
> classes 'active' and 'path' if appropriate
>
> Lukas
>
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Lukas Renggli
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> He, that is a nice one. I have been thinking about adding a searchable
> checkbox, but I think this solution is simpler and should work just
> fine.

Yeah, let's reduce the number of checkboxes ;-)

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stéphane ducasse-2
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for me you are the first one.

Stef

On Nov 25, 2008, at 4:31 AM, Alexandre Bergel wrote:

> Google enable one to enter link for a given set of keywords. I added
> them this morning. Maybe this is why now.
> But I have completely different results than what Giuseppe showed...
> amazing
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> On 24 Nov 2008, at 17:03, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
>>> Googling: software composition 2009
>>> does not show up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Am I not sure where the problem come from.
>>> My page comes first where I put a link on it.
>>> I modified my webpage after having set up www.2009.software-composition.org
>>>
>>> Is this normal?
>>
>> I don't know what you are talking about?
>>
>> It shows up first for me. This might not be the case for everybody,  
>> as
>> Google provides different results  depending on your personal  
>> profile.
>>
>> Lukas
>>
>> --
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>> http://www.lukas-renggli.ch
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