Platform and portable versions for Pharo 2.0 too

Hi,

I "backported" the 3.0 publish mechanism to Pharo 2.0.
I suppose the 2.0 Summer will be like this then :)

http://files.pharo.org/platform/

Cheers,
Esteban

Cool! :)

EstebanLM wrote

I "backported" the 3.0 publish mechanism to Pharo 2.0.
...
http://files.pharo.org/platform/

I updated http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-2-0 to the "Portable" terminology, with an updated description, and put the platform versions at the top, as the first choice.

mmm... the problem is that the "platform" versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace).

Esteban

On Mar 28, 2013, at 12:59 PM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:

> mmm... the problem is that the "platform" versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace).
>

yes, we should take care… if it is for power users, it should not be on the website.
We need to take care that the idea was not to complicate everything but to simplify.

The whole how-we-distribute Pharo is work in Progress. It will change over the next Months.

We should control very much the officially released image, else all the work last monday was
for nothing.


        Marcus

EstebanLM wrote

mmm... the problem is that the "platform" versions are not the release, are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace).

Oops. Can we have save platform release versions somewhere? Since new users are having trouble with the one-click/portable version, I'd hate to lose the next year before we have something easy for them...

On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:12 PM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> EstebanLM wrote
>> mmm... the problem is that the "platform" versions are not the release,
>> are nightly builds (it lacks the welcome workspace).
>
> Oops. Can we have save platform release versions somewhere? Since new users
> are having trouble with the one-click/portable version, I'd hate to lose the
> next year before we have something easy for them…
>
Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a boundary
somewhere.

        Marcus

Marcus Denker-4 wrote

Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a boundary
somewhere.

I don't think this is the right place to draw it. I'm going to work now, but I'll do it later. I guess I could just take the nightly ones and manually stick in the release image, right?

On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:14 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

People don't realize just how much work was in the release last week…

We can do things, but we need to control what we do. Changing the relase
files one week after randomly where we are in the situation that the
build files are *not* yet the relased files (we are working on that, there is
a tracker entry…) is deadly.

Please let it like it is and we move *controlled* forward.



        Marcus

On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Marcus Denker-4 wrote
>> Sorry… we are working already on too many things and there has to be a
>> boundary
>> somewhere.
>
> I don't think this is the right place to draw it. I'm going to work now, but
> I'll do it later. I guess I could just take the nightly ones and manually
> stick in the release image, right?

Please… this now does *not* need to be done. Please. Please. Please…

(I am dead)

        Marcus

Marcus Denker-4 wrote

Please… this now does *not* need to be done. Please. Please. Please…

I totally understand that we're all exhausted. This is an investment in our future relaxation :) If the users need it, it needs to be done. The reason we have to do so much work is that the community is the size it is. If there is not an influx of new users, the situation will not change.

On Mar 28, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Marcus Denker <[hidden email]> wrote:

-> the images are carefully hand prepared (yes, this is shitty, we will fix that eventually).
-> the files are served from gforge so that we count the downloads (politically important).
-> now the download and the "download 2.0" pages are out of sync.

The thing is that I have not Time and no Energy to work on this now.

The problem is that every change has as a result work to be done. We should be careful
to not waste our energy.

        Marcus

Marcus Denker-4 wrote

Please let it like it is and we move *controlled* forward.

Okay I removed the links to the platform files from the download page for now.

Thanks Sean. I understand your motivation (and I agree with them), but well...
we need to adjust the process before make this kind of changes.
You wouldn't believe the amount of things that became affected with that small change :S

anyway, this will be backported to 2.0 in summer release (or perhaps before), we wont need to wait until next year :)

Esteban
 

On Mar 29, 2013, at 1:12 AM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <[hidden email]> wrote: