Polymorph depends on Sound

> Hi Gary,
>
> I'm working on removing the Sound package. Polymorph's SoundTheme  
> class has some methods that reference RestSound.
>
> For instance:
>
> windowRestoreDownSound
> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [RestSound dur: 0]
>
>
> Could we change these methods, for example like this:
>
> windowRestoreDownSound
> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [self  
> defaultDefaultSound]
>
> and then
>
> defaultDefaultSound
> ^ Beeper default
>
> Projects that use sound can then load the Sound package and define  
> their own SoundTheme. If this is OK with you I'll do these changes in  
> Pharo and you can pick them up and merge them later.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
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> No problem.
>
> Regards, Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Lienhard" <[hidden email]>
> To: "Pharo Development" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:21 AM
> Subject: [Pharo-project] Polymorph depends on Sound
>
>
>> Hi Gary,
>>
>> I'm working on removing the Sound package. Polymorph's SoundTheme
>> class has some methods that reference RestSound.
>>
>> For instance:
>>
>> windowRestoreDownSound
>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [RestSound dur: 0]
>>
>>
>> Could we change these methods, for example like this:
>>
>> windowRestoreDownSound
>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [self
>> defaultDefaultSound]
>>
>> and then
>>
>> defaultDefaultSound
>> ^ Beeper default
>>
>> Projects that use sound can then load the Sound package and define
>> their own SoundTheme. If this is OK with you I'll do these changes in
>> Pharo and you can pick them up and merge them later.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
>> ___________________
>> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/
>>
>>
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> Hi Gary,
>
> In the Pharo project, there is a new version of Polymorph with these
> changes.
>
> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:54 , Gary Chambers wrote:
>
>> No problem.
>>
>> Regards, Gary
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adrian Lienhard" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "Pharo Development" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:21 AM
>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Polymorph depends on Sound
>>
>>
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> I'm working on removing the Sound package. Polymorph's SoundTheme
>>> class has some methods that reference RestSound.
>>>
>>> For instance:
>>>
>>> windowRestoreDownSound
>>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [RestSound dur: 0]
>>>
>>>
>>> Could we change these methods, for example like this:
>>>
>>> windowRestoreDownSound
>>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [self
>>> defaultDefaultSound]
>>>
>>> and then
>>>
>>> defaultDefaultSound
>>> ^ Beeper default
>>>
>>> Projects that use sound can then load the Sound package and define
>>> their own SoundTheme. If this is OK with you I'll do these changes  
>>> in
>>> Pharo and you can pick them up and merge them later.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian
>>> ___________________
>>> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/
>>>
>>>
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> I understand wanting to limit dependencies and clean stuff up - but is
> there a particular reason why we don't think the basic ability to play
> sounds belongs in a base application development environment?
>
> Seems like a core capability and I worry about sound rotting if it
> doesn't live in the base image.
>
> -Todd Blanchard
>
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>
>> Hi Gary,
>>
>> In the Pharo project, there is a new version of Polymorph with these
>> changes.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
>>
>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:54 , Gary Chambers wrote:
>>
>>> No problem.
>>>
>>> Regards, Gary
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Adrian Lienhard" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "Pharo Development" <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:21 AM
>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Polymorph depends on Sound
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I'm working on removing the Sound package. Polymorph's SoundTheme
>>>> class has some methods that reference RestSound.
>>>>
>>>> For instance:
>>>>
>>>> windowRestoreDownSound
>>>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [RestSound dur: 0]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could we change these methods, for example like this:
>>>>
>>>> windowRestoreDownSound
>>>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [self
>>>> defaultDefaultSound]
>>>>
>>>> and then
>>>>
>>>> defaultDefaultSound
>>>> ^ Beeper default
>>>>
>>>> Projects that use sound can then load the Sound package and define
>>>> their own SoundTheme. If this is OK with you I'll do these changes
>>>> in
>>>> Pharo and you can pick them up and merge them later.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Adrian
>>>> ___________________
>>>> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/
>>>>
>>>>
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> Hi Todd,
>
> I don't think it is a true core capability, considering that many if
> not the majority of applications built with Pharo are web-based. I
> don't think that Sound will rot now _if_ projects exist that are using
> it. If nobody is using and caring about it, then, yes, it may indeed
> rott. If really a lot of projects use Sound we could consider
> including it in the Pharo image. In any case, I strongly believe that
> making the image more modular and removing non-system/core behavior
> from the core image is the way to go. Also, keeping code in the image
> does not guarantee it does not rott (see e.g., EToys).
>

> Cheers,
> Adrian
>
>
>
> On Jul 28, 2009, at 10:52 , Eagle Offshore wrote:
>
>> I understand wanting to limit dependencies and clean stuff up - but is
>> there a particular reason why we don't think the basic ability to play
>> sounds belongs in a base application development environment?
>>
>> Seems like a core capability and I worry about sound rotting if it
>> doesn't live in the base image.
>>
>> -Todd Blanchard
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2009, at 12:34 AM, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> In the Pharo project, there is a new version of Polymorph with these
>>> changes.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2009, at 11:54 , Gary Chambers wrote:
>>>
>>>> No problem.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Gary
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Adrian Lienhard" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: "Pharo Development" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 10:21 AM
>>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] Polymorph depends on Sound
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gary,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm working on removing the Sound package. Polymorph's SoundTheme
>>>>> class has some methods that reference RestSound.
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance:
>>>>>
>>>>> windowRestoreDownSound
>>>>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [RestSound dur: 0]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Could we change these methods, for example like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> windowRestoreDownSound
>>>>> ^self sounds at: #windowRestoreDown ifAbsent: [self
>>>>> defaultDefaultSound]
>>>>>
>>>>> and then
>>>>>
>>>>> defaultDefaultSound
>>>>> ^ Beeper default
>>>>>
>>>>> Projects that use sound can then load the Sound package and define
>>>>> their own SoundTheme. If this is OK with you I'll do these changes
>>>>> in
>>>>> Pharo and you can pick them up and merge them later.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Adrian
>>>>> ___________________
>>>>> http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/
>>>>>
>>>>>
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> Todd as an example here I ripped all of the Sound logic out of the
> wikiserver image
> since it takes space and I left just the
>
> AbstractSound
> RestSound
> SoundBuffer
> SoundPlayer
>
> in the image.
>
> No doubt I could have tried harder and removed those too.
>
> On 28-Jul-09, at 1:52 AM, Eagle Offshore wrote:
>
>> I understand wanting to limit dependencies and clean stuff up - but  
>> is
>> there a particular reason why we don't think the basic ability to  
>> play
>> sounds belongs in a base application development environment?
>>
>> Seems like a core capability and I worry about sound rotting if it
>> doesn't live in the base image.
>>
>> -Todd Blanchard
>
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