Probably Metacello sucks…

> Just a quick side note:
>
> my initial email was kind of a troll. Because when you ask for something about roassal and 3D, you get a reply about Roassal-Woden i.e. Roassal3D is not supported anymore, you have to use Woden instead. Now when you have to load Woden, you can’t so you have to use the uber-long script on the Woden project page instead of conf. That’s why I’ve joked about using scripts instead of Metacello.
>
> Uko
>
>
>
>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 12:25, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>
>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 10:40, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 12-06-15 10:24, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>> it was just an example of why using #stable in project dependences is a bad idea :)
>>>> you made #releaseN.N to fix precisely my point.
>>>> there should exist something like I say “3.*”
>>> #'release3' always refers to the latest stable 3.*.*.*
>> I know :)
>> I’m just saying that I would like to have that as a standard mechanism, not a convention.
>>
>> Esteban
>>
>>>> I’m sorry for being obvious here, I know this is known… problem is that I’ve seen far too much the use of metacello not for doing releases but to handle commits.
>>> I think it mostly has to do with the need to have exact reproducible builds (which is different from the need to have working software).
>>> That would be better handled with a (separate) SnapshotOf class i.m.o.
>>>
>>> Stephan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

> On 25 Jun 2015, at 20:14, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Yuriy
>
> can you check with JB because he told me that he wrote a configuration for Wooden.
>
> Stef
>
> Le 12/6/15 13:48, Yuriy Tymchuk a écrit :Yuri
>> Just a quick side note:
>>
>> my initial email was kind of a troll. Because when you ask for something about roassal and 3D, you get a reply about Roassal-Woden i.e. Roassal3D is not supported anymore, you have to use Woden instead. Now when you have to load Woden, you can’t so you have to use the uber-long script on the Woden project page instead of conf. That’s why I’ve joked about using scripts instead of Metacello.
>>
>> Uko
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 12:25, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 10:40, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12-06-15 10:24, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>>> it was just an example of why using #stable in project dependences is a bad idea :)
>>>>> you made #releaseN.N to fix precisely my point.
>>>>> there should exist something like I say “3.*”
>>>> #'release3' always refers to the latest stable 3.*.*.*
>>> I know :)
>>> I’m just saying that I would like to have that as a standard mechanism, not a convention.
>>>
>>> Esteban
>>>
>>>>> I’m sorry for being obvious here, I know this is known… problem is that I’ve seen far too much the use of metacello not for doing releases but to handle commits.
>>>> I think it mostly has to do with the need to have exact reproducible builds (which is different from the need to have working software).
>>>> That would be better handled with a (separate) SnapshotOf class i.m.o.
>>>>
>>>> Stephan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

> Hi Stef.
>
> Yes, there is “jenkins” baseline, but after some time it stopped working. The problem is that JB cannot really maintain configuration of the projects developed by other people, because he is not aware what has changed and needs significantly more time than the dev that work with it.
>
> Uko
>
>> On 25 Jun 2015, at 20:14, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Yuriy
>>
>> can you check with JB because he told me that he wrote a configuration for Wooden.
>>
>> Stef
>>
>> Le 12/6/15 13:48, Yuriy Tymchuk a écrit :Yuri
>>> Just a quick side note:
>>>
>>> my initial email was kind of a troll. Because when you ask for something about roassal and 3D, you get a reply about Roassal-Woden i.e. Roassal3D is not supported anymore, you have to use Woden instead. Now when you have to load Woden, you can’t so you have to use the uber-long script on the Woden project page instead of conf. That’s why I’ve joked about using scripts instead of Metacello.
>>>
>>> Uko
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 12:25, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 10:40, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12-06-15 10:24, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>>>> it was just an example of why using #stable in project dependences is a bad idea :)
>>>>>> you made #releaseN.N to fix precisely my point.
>>>>>> there should exist something like I say “3.*”
>>>>> #'release3' always refers to the latest stable 3.*.*.*
>>>> I know :)
>>>> I’m just saying that I would like to have that as a standard mechanism, not a convention.
>>>>
>>>> Esteban
>>>>
>>>>>> I’m sorry for being obvious here, I know this is known… problem is that I’ve seen far too much the use of metacello not for doing releases but to handle commits.
>>>>> I think it mostly has to do with the need to have exact reproducible builds (which is different from the need to have working software).
>>>>> That would be better handled with a (separate) SnapshotOf class i.m.o.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

> On 25 Jun 2015, at 20:14, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Yuriy
>
> can you check with JB because he told me that he wrote a configuration for Wooden.
>
> Stef
>
> Le 12/6/15 13:48, Yuriy Tymchuk a écrit :Yuri
>> Just a quick side note:
>>
>> my initial email was kind of a troll. Because when you ask for something about roassal and 3D, you get a reply about Roassal-Woden i.e. Roassal3D is not supported anymore, you have to use Woden instead. Now when you have to load Woden, you can’t so you have to use the uber-long script on the Woden project page instead of conf. That’s why I’ve joked about using scripts instead of Metacello.
>>
>> Uko
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 12:25, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 10:40, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12-06-15 10:24, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
>>>>> it was just an example of why using #stable in project dependences is a bad idea :)
>>>>> you made #releaseN.N to fix precisely my point.
>>>>> there should exist something like I say “3.*”
>>>> #'release3' always refers to the latest stable 3.*.*.*
>>> I know :)
>>> I’m just saying that I would like to have that as a standard mechanism, not a convention.
>>>
>>> Esteban
>>>
>>>>> I’m sorry for being obvious here, I know this is known… problem is that I’ve seen far too much the use of metacello not for doing releases but to handle commits.
>>>> I think it mostly has to do with the need to have exact reproducible builds (which is different from the need to have working software).
>>>> That would be better handled with a (separate) SnapshotOf class i.m.o.
>>>>
>>>> Stephan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

> Hi.
>
> I tried to load Woden into pharo 4 and 5 images using script:
>
> Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'ronsaldo’
> project: 'Woden’;
> package: 'ConfigurationOfWoden’;
> load.
>   (#ConfigurationOfWoden asClass project version: #jenkins) load
>
> And in both cases I got the error: 'Name not found: WithOpenGLAndExamples’. It looks like version #jenkins, created by JB, doesn’t work.
>
> Best regards,
> Natalia
>
>
> > On 25 Jun 2015, at 20:14, stepharo <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Yuriy
> >
> > can you check with JB because he told me that he wrote a configuration for Wooden.
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > Le 12/6/15 13:48, Yuriy Tymchuk a écrit :Yuri
> >> Just a quick side note:
> >>
> >> my initial email was kind of a troll. Because when you ask for something about roassal and 3D, you get a reply about Roassal-Woden i.e. Roassal3D is not supported anymore, you have to use Woden instead. Now when you have to load Woden, you can’t so you have to use the uber-long script on the Woden project page instead of conf. That’s why I’ve joked about using scripts instead of Metacello.
> >>
> >> Uko
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 12:25, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 12 Jun 2015, at 10:40, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12-06-15 10:24, Esteban Lorenzano wrote:
> >>>>> it was just an example of why using #stable in project dependences is a bad idea :)
> >>>>> you made #releaseN.N to fix precisely my point.
> >>>>> there should exist something like I say “3.*”
> >>>> #'release3' always refers to the latest stable 3.*.*.*
> >>> I know :)
> >>> I’m just saying that I would like to have that as a standard mechanism, not a convention.
> >>>
> >>> Esteban
> >>>
> >>>>> I’m sorry for being obvious here, I know this is known… problem is that I’ve seen far too much the use of metacello not for doing releases but to handle commits.
> >>>> I think it mostly has to do with the need to have exact reproducible builds (which is different from the need to have working software).
> >>>> That would be better handled with a (separate) SnapshotOf class i.m.o.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stephan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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