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Dan Norton

Hi Juan,


On 8/15/2015 Juan wrote:
>On 8/15/2015 6:07 PM, Phil (list) wrote:
>>
>>> Swear not. Use any of the class methods in the profiler:
>>> AndreasSystemProfiler. For example, something like
>>>
>>> AndreasSystemProfiler spyForMilliseconds: 200
>>>
>> segfault (stack overflow)...
>>
>
>Use Cog 3370 or older. I reported the problem in VM-Dev, but nobody
listened.

I don't see where you reported the problem. Can you give me a specific reference? Maybe if more of us post it will get some attention. I searched


gmane.gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.vm.devel


for your posts in 2015 but did not see it.

 - Dan

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Re: Problem in VM-Dev

Phil B
On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 14:33 -0400, Dan Norton wrote:

> Hi Juan,
>
>
> On 8/15/2015 Juan wrote:
> >On 8/15/2015 6:07 PM, Phil (list) wrote:
> >>
> >>> Swear not. Use any of the class methods in the profiler:
> >>> AndreasSystemProfiler. For example, something like
> >>>
> >>> AndreasSystemProfiler spyForMilliseconds: 200
> >>>
> >> segfault (stack overflow)...
> >>
> >
> >Use Cog 3370 or older. I reported the problem in VM-Dev, but nobody
> listened.
>
>
>
> I don't see where you reported the problem. Can you give me a specific
> reference? Maybe if more of us post it will get some attention. I
> searched
>
>
I just posted a reply to it a few hours ago hoping for the same effect.
His original posts were on 7/20 and had 'Cog crash with
AndreasSystemProfiler' in the subject line.

On a related note, I'm having an issue with 3410 hanging the image while
loading packages while 3390 is working (aside from the profiler issue)
for me... it's always something.

> gmane.gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.vm.devel
>
>
>
> for your posts in 2015 but did not see it.
>
>
>  - Dan
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Re: Problem in VM-Dev

Dan Norton
Using cogwin-15.22.3370 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the following 30+ times successfully:

        AndreasSystemProfiler spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159 printString]].

Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the above 20+ times and the VM
crashed with a stack exception. Dump attached.

Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Squeak4.6-15102.image, ran the following 40+ times
successfully:

        MessageTally spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159 printString]].

What is the difference between AndreasSystemProfiler and MessageTally? Their output
appears similar.

 - Dan

On 16 Aug 2015 at 14:48, Phil (list) wrote:

> On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 14:33 -0400, Dan Norton wrote:
> > Hi Juan,
> >
> >
> > On 8/15/2015 Juan wrote:
> > >On 8/15/2015 6:07 PM, Phil (list) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Swear not. Use any of the class methods in the profiler:
> > >>> AndreasSystemProfiler. For example, something like
> > >>>
> > >>> AndreasSystemProfiler spyForMilliseconds: 200
> > >>>
> > >> segfault (stack overflow)...
> > >>
> > >
> > >Use Cog 3370 or older. I reported the problem in VM-Dev, but
> nobody
> > listened.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't see where you reported the problem. Can you give me a
> specific
> > reference? Maybe if more of us post it will get some attention.
> I
> > searched
> >
> >
> I just posted a reply to it a few hours ago hoping for the same
> effect.
> His original posts were on 7/20 and had 'Cog crash with
> AndreasSystemProfiler' in the subject line.
>
> On a related note, I'm having an issue with 3410 hanging the image
> while
> loading packages while 3390 is working (aside from the profiler
> issue)
> for me... it's always something.
>
> > gmane.gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.vm.devel
> >
> >
> >
> > for your posts in 2015 but did not see it.
> >
> >
> >  - Dan
> > _______________________________________________
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> > [hidden email]
> > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org
>
>
>
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Re: Problem in VM-Dev

Phil B
On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 16:58 -0400, Dan Norton wrote:

> Using cogwin-15.22.3370 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the following 30+ times successfully:
>
> AndreasSystemProfiler spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159 printString]].
>
> Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the above 20+ times and the VM
> crashed with a stack exception. Dump attached.
>
> Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Squeak4.6-15102.image, ran the following 40+ times
> successfully:
>
> MessageTally spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159 printString]].
>
> What is the difference between AndreasSystemProfiler and MessageTally? Their output
> appears similar.

They perform the same function but ASP is more accurate (esp related to
primitives) and capable of higher resolution.  Here's a write up by
Eliot back when it was originally released:
http://forum.world.st/Re-squeak-dev-AndreasSystemProfiler-Released-MIT-td4665183.html

>
>  - Dan
>
> On 16 Aug 2015 at 14:48, Phil (list) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 14:33 -0400, Dan Norton wrote:
> > > Hi Juan,
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/15/2015 Juan wrote:
> > > >On 8/15/2015 6:07 PM, Phil (list) wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Swear not. Use any of the class methods in the profiler:
> > > >>> AndreasSystemProfiler. For example, something like
> > > >>>
> > > >>> AndreasSystemProfiler spyForMilliseconds: 200
> > > >>>
> > > >> segfault (stack overflow)...
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Use Cog 3370 or older. I reported the problem in VM-Dev, but
> > nobody
> > > listened.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't see where you reported the problem. Can you give me a
> > specific
> > > reference? Maybe if more of us post it will get some attention.
> > I
> > > searched
> > >
> > >
> > I just posted a reply to it a few hours ago hoping for the same
> > effect.
> > His original posts were on 7/20 and had 'Cog crash with
> > AndreasSystemProfiler' in the subject line.
> >
> > On a related note, I'm having an issue with 3410 hanging the image
> > while
> > loading packages while 3390 is working (aside from the profiler
> > issue)
> > for me... it's always something.
> >
> > > gmane.gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.vm.devel
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > for your posts in 2015 but did not see it.
> > >
> > >
> > >  - Dan
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Cuis mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://jvuletich.org/mailman/listinfo/cuis_jvuletich.org
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>
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Re: Problem in VM-Dev

Dan Norton
On 16 Aug 2015 at 17:21, Phil (list) wrote:

> On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 16:58 -0400, Dan Norton wrote:
> > Using cogwin-15.22.3370 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the following
> 30+ times successfully:
> >
> > AndreasSystemProfiler spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159
> printString]].
> >
> > Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the above 20+
> times and the VM
> > crashed with a stack exception. Dump attached.
> >
> > Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Squeak4.6-15102.image, ran the
> following 40+ times
> > successfully:
> >
> > MessageTally spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159 printString]].
> >
> > What is the difference between AndreasSystemProfiler and
> MessageTally? Their output
> > appears similar.
>
> They perform the same function but ASP is more accurate (esp related
> to
> primitives) and capable of higher resolution.  Here's a write up
> by
> Eliot back when it was originally released:
> http://forum.world.st/Re-squeak-dev-AndreasSystemProfiler-Released-M
> IT-td4665183.html
>

There is a 2015-01-27 version which preceeds the latest. Would that be worth a try?

 - Dan

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Phil B
On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 18:09 -0400, Dan Norton wrote:

> On 16 Aug 2015 at 17:21, Phil (list) wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2015-08-16 at 16:58 -0400, Dan Norton wrote:
> > > Using cogwin-15.22.3370 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the following
> > 30+ times successfully:
> > >
> > > AndreasSystemProfiler spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159
> > printString]].
> > >
> > > Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Cuis4.2-2461.image, ran the above 20+
> > times and the VM
> > > crashed with a stack exception. Dump attached.
> > >
> > > Using cogwin-15.28.3410 and Squeak4.6-15102.image, ran the
> > following 40+ times
> > > successfully:
> > >
> > > MessageTally spyOn:[10000 timesRepeat: [3.14159 printString]].
> > >
> > > What is the difference between AndreasSystemProfiler and
> > MessageTally? Their output
> > > appears similar.
> >
> > They perform the same function but ASP is more accurate (esp related
> > to
> > primitives) and capable of higher resolution.  Here's a write up
> > by
> > Eliot back when it was originally released:
> > http://forum.world.st/Re-squeak-dev-AndreasSystemProfiler-Released-M
> > IT-td4665183.html
> >
>
> There is a 2015-01-27 version which preceeds the latest. Would that be worth a try?
>

Eliot just posted a reply today indicating this bug is on his radar so
it will probably be fixed soon.

>  - Dan
>
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Re: Problem in VM-Dev

Juan Vuletich-4
Yay!

Cheers,
Juan Vuletich

On 8/16/2015 7:41 PM, Phil (list) wrote:
>
> Eliot just posted a reply today indicating this bug is on his radar so
> it will probably be fixed soon.


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