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Justine STIENNE

Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

Hi,

I wanted to download the lastest version of Pharo 50 on this website: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/

After having downloaded the lastest version for Windows (pharo-win-latest.zip) and the image in Pharo.zip, I try to to open the image with Pharo.exe but nothing appears, and the application never opened.

Has anyone already had this problem and could help me ?

Thank you,

Justine

CyrilFerlicot

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

Hi,

For the latest Pharo 5 you need a new virtual machine: spur.

You can get it at http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/pharo-win-stable.zip

To manage your images you can use the latest version of Pharo Launcher that will choose the right VM if you give the paths in the settings. (http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7EPharo/PharoLauncher)

Cyril

On Friday, January 22, 2016, Justine STIENNE <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I wanted to download the lastest version of Pharo 50 on this website: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/
After having downloaded the lastest version for Windows (pharo-win-latest.zip) and the image in Pharo.zip, I try to to open the image with Pharo.exe but nothing appears, and the application never opened.
Has anyone already had this problem and could help me ?

Thank you,
Justine

Cheers

Cyril Ferlicot

Justine STIENNE

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

Hi,

I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is loading but it never becomes opened.

Thanks in advance,

Justine

2016-01-22 11:18 GMT+01:00 Cyril Ferlicot <[hidden email]>:

Hi,

For the latest Pharo 5 you need a new virtual machine: spur.

You can get it at http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/pharo-win-stable.zip

To manage your images you can use the latest version of Pharo Launcher that will choose the right VM if you give the paths in the settings. (http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7EPharo/PharoLauncher)

--
Cyril

On Friday, January 22, 2016, Justine STIENNE <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

I wanted to download the lastest version of Pharo 50 on this website: http://files.pharo.org/get-files/50/
After having downloaded the lastest version for Windows (pharo-win-latest.zip) and the image in Pharo.zip, I try to to open the image with Pharo.exe but nothing appears, and the application never opened.
Has anyone already had this problem and could help me ?

Thank you,
Justine

--
Cheers
Cyril Ferlicot

Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

On 28-01-16 15:45, Justine STIENNE wrote:
> I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is
> loading but it never becomes opened.

Did you manage to get it to work?

The new spur vm cannot open old images, and the old vm cannot open the
new images. Though you could change the image format from old to new, it
normally is a better idea to just load your code into a fresh image.
Another thing is that you also need the sources file.

Stephan

abergel

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

Milton also cannot open a Pharo 5 image with Spur. There is nothing obvious we missed.

Alexandre

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:14 AM, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 28-01-16 15:45, Justine STIENNE wrote:
>> I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is
>> loading but it never becomes opened.
>
> Did you manage to get it to work?
>
> The new spur vm cannot open old images, and the old vm cannot open the new images. Though you could change the image format from old to new, it normally is a better idea to just load your code into a fresh image. Another thing is that you also need the sources file.
>
> Stephan
>
>

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Franck Warlouzet

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her, I just don't get why. It was working with the pre-spur VM + pharo 5 with the same configuration for both her and I, now it is not working anymore. I miss something probably obvious too,

Franck

> From: [hidden email]

> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 08:00:36 -0800
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
> CC: [hidden email]
>
> Milton also cannot open a Pharo 5 image with Spur. There is nothing obvious we missed.
>
> Alexandre
>
>
> > On Jan 30, 2016, at 12:14 AM, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On 28-01-16 15:45, Justine STIENNE wrote:
> >> I always have the same problem. When I want to open the image, Pharo is
> >> loading but it never becomes opened.
> >
> > Did you manage to get it to work?
> >
> > The new spur vm cannot open old images, and the old vm cannot open the new images. Though you could change the image format from old to new, it normally is a better idea to just load your code into a fresh image. Another thing is that you also need the sources file.
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
>
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> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
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CyrilFerlicot

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

On 31/01/2016 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the
> same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her, I just
> don't get why. It was working with the pre-spur VM + pharo 5 with the
> same configuration for both her and I, now it is not working anymore. I
> miss something probably obvious too,
>
> Franck
>

Do you get some info if you try to launch it via commad line? An error
maybe?

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Cyril

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Franck Warlouzet

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

No because I don't have any error, but maybe Justine does. We should check (even I don't ever use command line on windows, so maybe I will not be able to do it)

Franck

> To: [hidden email]

> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:00:16 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
>
>
>
> On 31/01/2016 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the
> > same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her, I just
> > don't get why. It was working with the pre-spur VM + pharo 5 with the
> > same configuration for both her and I, now it is not working anymore. I
> > miss something probably obvious too,
> >
> > Franck
> >
>
> Do you get some info if you try to launch it via commad line? An error
> maybe?
>
> --
> Cyril
>

CyrilFerlicot

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

Le 31/01/2016 19:38, Franck Warlouzet a écrit :
> No because I don't have any error, but maybe Justine does. We should
> check (even I don't ever use command line on windows, so maybe I will
> not be able to do it)
>
> Franck

Super + R

then type cmd and press enter

Then you can drag and drop the Pharo.exe, let a space, drag and drop the
XXX.image.

If there is a problem you should have an error in the terminal or in a
window.

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Stephan Eggermont-3

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

In reply to this post by Franck Warlouzet

On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the
> same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,

Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?

Stephan

Franck Warlouzet

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized).

Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ?

Franck

> To: [hidden email]

> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
>
> On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the
> > same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
>
> Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
>
> Stephan
>
>

EstebanLM

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]> wrote:

For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in several directories, I'm organized).

Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in protected directories in Justine's case ?

it has to be… otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(

Esteban

Franck

> To: [hidden email]

> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
>
> On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
> > I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the
> > same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
>
> Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
>
> Stephan
>
>

Ben Coman

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

>> To: [hidden email]
>> From: [hidden email]
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
>>
>> On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
>> > I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the
>> > same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
>>
>> Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
>>
>> Stephan

> On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in
> several directories, I'm organized).
>
> Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in
> protected directories in Justine's case ?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> it has to be… otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(

One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected
folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a
standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading*
behaviour,
which I describe here...
http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740803

Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must*
be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user
tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever
soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of
the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be
written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the
original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for
other users so that for a single file location (e.g.
"C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data.

Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator
installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They
still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image.
This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info
from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case.

btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a
protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and
Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed.

cheers -ben

Justine STIENNE

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

Thank you everybody. Now it's working :-)

Justine

2016-02-01 17:55 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <[hidden email]>:

>> To: [hidden email]
>> From: [hidden email]
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
>>
>> On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
>> > I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM, the
>> > same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
>>
>> Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
>>
>> Stephan

> On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in
> several directories, I'm organized).
>
> Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in
> protected directories in Justine's case ?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> it has to be… otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(

One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected
folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a
standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading*
behaviour,
which I describe here...
http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740803

Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must*
be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user
tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever
soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of
the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be
written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the
original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for
other users so that for a single file location (e.g.
"C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data.

Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator
installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They
still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image.
This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info
from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case.

btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a
protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and
Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed.

cheers -ben

Ben Coman

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Justine STIENNE
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thank you everybody. Now it's working :-)

Cool. Can you report the solution to help the next person that might
be stuck by the same thing?
cheers -ben

>
> Justine
>
> 2016-02-01 17:55 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> >> To: [hidden email]
>> >> From: [hidden email]
>> >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100
>> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
>> >>
>> >> On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
>> >> > I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM,
>> >> > the
>> >> > same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
>> >>
>> >> Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
>> >>
>> >> Stephan
>>
>>
>> > On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in
>> > several directories, I'm organized).
>> >
>> > Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in
>> > protected directories in Justine's case ?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > it has to be… otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(
>>
>> One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected
>> folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a
>> standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading*
>> behaviour,
>> which I describe here...
>>
>> http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740803
>>
>> Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must*
>> be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user
>> tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever
>> soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of
>> the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be
>> written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the
>> original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for
>> other users so that for a single file location (e.g.
>> "C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data.
>>
>> Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator
>> installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They
>> still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image.
>> This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info
>> from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case.
>>
>> btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a
>> protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and
>> Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed.
>>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>

Justine STIENNE

Re: Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows

Finally it's not working. Yesterday, when I opened it, it was working and this morning, when i tried, it was not working. So there is no solution. And I'm not the only one to have this problem. Because I've tried in an other computer, and it was exactly the same. I was looking on tasks management and in details I have the application Pharo.exe running even when I restart the computer. When I want to stop the task, it said me : "The transaction could not be completed. Access denied". I dont know what to do more...

Thanks in advance,

Justine

2016-02-01 23:39 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <[hidden email]>:

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Justine STIENNE
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Thank you everybody. Now it's working :-)

Cool. Can you report the solution to help the next person that might
be stuck by the same thing?
cheers -ben

>
> Justine
>
> 2016-02-01 17:55 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> >> To: [hidden email]
>> >> From: [hidden email]
>> >> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:27:37 +0100
>> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Problem to open Pharo 50 on Windows
>> >>
>> >> On 31-01-16 18:55, Franck Warlouzet wrote:
>> >> > I tried to help Justine a bit, but I have the same OS, the same VM,
>> >> > the
>> >> > same image, the same sources and it works for me but not for her,
>> >>
>> >> Which OS & update version, in what directories is it installed?
>> >>
>> >> Stephan
>>
>>
>> > On 31 Jan 2016, at 22:05, Franck Warlouzet <[hidden email]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > For my case, windows 10, latest I assume. Installed on the desktop (in
>> > several directories, I'm organized).
>> >
>> > Do you think it could be an admin rights issue if it is installed in
>> > protected directories in Justine's case ?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > it has to be… otherwise I cannot imagine what it can be :(
>>
>> One thing to consider... if the Image was installed into a protected
>> folder by an administrator, and then opened and then saved by a
>> standard-user, Windows presents *very* strange and *misleading*
>> behaviour,
>> which I describe here...
>>
>> http://forum.world.st/FEEDBACK-Install-Pharo-on-Windows-td4733900.html#a4740803
>>
>> Basically, the files installed into Window's protected folders *must*
>> be read only, or all hell breaks loose :). When the standard-user
>> tries to write to Pharo.image in the protected folder, Windows (ever
>> soooo helpful) doesn't complain but *silently* takes a shadow copy of
>> the protected folder into the standard-user's folder which can be
>> written to. It then *transparently* makes it seem like the file in the
>> original location was updated, for that user. The same happens for
>> other users so that for a single file location (e.g.
>> "C:\..\protected\Pharo.image") each user sees different data.
>>
>> Should the original file be *really* updated by an administrator
>> installing an upgrade, the standard-users don't see the change. They
>> still see only their own custom unique shadow version of Pharo.image.
>> This is really *evil* behaviour, so its good to share from this info
>> from time to time, even if its not the cause in this case.
>>
>> btw, you can easily confirm this yourself just using notepad to edit a
>> protected txt file while switching a few times between Admin and
>> Standard-User accounts. Some things have to be seen to be believed.
>>
>> cheers -ben
>>
>