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Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Volkert
Dear all,

i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo
and then restarting
the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!)
crashes and restarts.

No Problems under Windows 7.

Looks like a Problem with the VM.

Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?

BW,
Volkert

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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

EstebanLM
Hi,

I’m sorry, I never tested pharo on windows 8.1.
and the only thing I can promise is that I will create a parallels image next weeks (a couple of them), with 8.1 to test it…

Esteban

On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, [hidden email] wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting
> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
>
> No Problems under Windows 7.
>
> Looks like a Problem with the VM.
>
> Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
>
> BW,
> Volkert
>
> --
> www.nivoba.de
>
> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
>
>


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2
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My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) :

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0

I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work.

On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, [hidden email] wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting
> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
>
> No Problems under Windows 7.
>
> Looks like a Problem with the VM.
>
> Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
>
> BW,
> Volkert
>
> --
> www.nivoba.de
>
> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
>
>


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

philippeback
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Windows 8.1 here and zero problems.

Now, I am using zeroconf, but that shouldn't be an issue.

Phil
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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Volkert
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@Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the
time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure
out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a
better description.

If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give
me a note.

BW,
Volkert


Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe:

> My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) :
>
>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0
>
> I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work.
>
> On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, [hidden email] wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting
>> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
>> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
>>
>> No Problems under Windows 7.
>>
>> Looks like a Problem with the VM.
>>
>> Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
>>
>> BW,
>> Volkert
>>
>> --
>> www.nivoba.de
>>
>> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
>>
>>
>

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"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

philippeback
Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file?

Maybe we can find the cause there.

Regards,
Phil



On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
@Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better description.

If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me a note.

BW,
Volkert


Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe:
My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) :

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0

I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work.

On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, [hidden email] wrote:

Dear all,

i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting
the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.

No Problems under Windows 7.

Looks like a Problem with the VM.

Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?

BW,
Volkert

--
www.nivoba.de

"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW




--
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"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW




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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2
I would guess the image/vm is doing something IO related. What were you experimenting with ? What did you load ? Does it also happen in a clean image ?

On 26 Aug 2014, at 19:24, [hidden email] wrote:

> Can you have a look at the PharoDebug.log file?
>
> Maybe we can find the cause there.
>
> Regards,
> Phil
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 7:01 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> @Esteban, Phil & Sven: The bad thing is, that it does not happen all the time, so a better description of is not possible. I will try to figure out under which conditions this behavior occurs and hope to give you a better description.
>
> If someone found a strange behavior similar to mine, he/she should give me a note.
>
> BW,
> Volkert
>
>
> Am 26.08.2014 um 14:37 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe:
> My children have a Windows 8.1 (64-bit) machine, last time I checked Pharo ran fine (actually this video was done in VirtualBox) :
>
>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKokxrQtrg0
>
> I could check again tonight, but I suspect it will just work.
>
> On 25 Aug 2014, at 17:34, [hidden email] wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo and then restarting
> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!) crashes and restarts.
>
> No Problems under Windows 7.
>
> Looks like a Problem with the VM.
>
> Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
>
> BW,
> Volkert
>
> --
> www.nivoba.de
>
> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
>
>
>
>
> --
> www.nivoba.de
>
> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW
>
>
>
>


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Alain rastoul
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Hi,

No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it every
day.
If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue,
not a vm problem.
Did you check in the system event log ?
  (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose manage then
go in system tools/events log and see the system and widows logs)

HTH

regards,

Alain


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Ben Coman
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[hidden email] wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit
> Pharo and then restarting
> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!)
> crashes and restarts.
>
> No Problems under Windows 7.
>
> Looks like a Problem with the VM.
>
> Has someone else seen this behavior under Win 8.1?
>
> BW,
> Volkert
>
Hi Volkert,

I don't have Win 8.1 64-bit to test on, but to help reproducibility for
others, could you provide the exact downloads you are using for VM and
Image.

Do you end up with a PharoDebug.log or crash.dmp file in any Pharo folder?

cheers -ben

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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Ben Coman
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Alain Rastoul wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> No problem for me with Windows 8.1 (64 bits) and Pharo 3, I use it
> every day.
> If your computer crashes, I would suspect some hardware related issue,
> not a vm problem.
> Did you check in the system event log ?
>  (right click on computer icon in the file explorer, choose manage
> then go in system tools/events log and see the system and widows logs)
>
> HTH
>
> regards,
>
> Alain
>
>
>
Good thought.  It may just be that Pharo reserves a lot of memory, and
the next OS action hits a bad location.  Just to establishing our
footing, you might try memtest86.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memtest86

cheers -ben

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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Göran Krampe
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Hi!

On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo
> and then restarting
> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!)
> crashes and restarts.

Some antivirus active?

regards, Göran


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Alain rastoul
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Le 27/08/2014 03:36, Ben Coman a écrit :

> Hi Volkert,
>
> I don't have Win 8.1 64-bit to test on, but to help reproducibility for
> others, could you provide the exact downloads you are using for VM and
> Image.
>
> Do you end up with a PharoDebug.log or crash.dmp file in any Pharo folder?
>
> cheers -ben
>
>
Volkert,

Ben is right, knowing the origin of the binaries could help.

If you have no confidential data or code in your Pharo image, you can
zip your whole Pharo directory and upload the zip to a free upload
service on the web (for example http://dl.free.fr/) and send us the link
for download.
We could test it with your binaries and also test your image with other
binaries.
HTH,

regards

Alain


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Volkert
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Thanks for all the feedback. Hope to find some time tomorrow ...

BW,
Volkert

Am 27.08.2014 um 07:54 schrieb Göran Krampe:

> Hi!
>
> On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo
>> and then restarting
>> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
>> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!)
>> crashes and restarts.
>
> Some antivirus active?
>
> regards, Göran
>
>

--
www.nivoba.de

"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW


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Re: Problems Pharo 3.0 & Windows 8.1 (64 Bit)

Volkert
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I think this was the reason.

BW,
Volkert

Am 27.08.2014 um 07:54 schrieb Göran Krampe:

> Hi!
>
> On 08/25/2014 05:34 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> i have problems with Pharo 3.0 under Win 8.1 (64 Bit). When i quit Pharo
>> and then restarting
>> the it, Pharo-VM and Windows hangs. After some time (2-3 Minutes), the
>> Pharo VM File Dialog opens. From time to time the Windows Desktop (!)
>> crashes and restarts.
>
> Some antivirus active?
>
> regards, Göran
>
>

--
www.nivoba.de

"The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW