Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter
or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? I am aware of QSoul (or "QSoul2" in its current incarnation) but it's done for Squeak and I'm looking for something a little more compatible. Failing that, anyone have experience porting QSoul or QSoul2? And, failing that, how about any Logic Programming capability within Smalltalk that's an alternative to QSoul? Thanks. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Theodore Galkowski [hidden email] The Smalltalk Idiom [hidden email] ********************************************************************* "Smalltalk? Yes, it's really that slick." --------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more? Check out http://www.dnsmith.com/SmallFAQ/ http://www.object-arts.com/DolphinWhitePaper.htm http://st-www.cs.uiuc.edu/users/johnson/smalltalk/ ********************************************************************* |
Hi Jan:
There was a prolog interpreter shipped as a goodie with Smalltalk/V Mac (and Windows, I think). Why not harvest it? I bet there are people out there who still have the diskettes. I'll look for mine. ;-) Jan Theodore Galkowski wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter > or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? I am aware of > QSoul (or "QSoul2" in its current incarnation) but it's done for > Squeak and I'm looking for something a little more compatible. > > Failing that, anyone have experience porting QSoul or QSoul2? > And, failing that, how about any Logic Programming capability > within Smalltalk that's an alternative to QSoul? > > Thanks. > -- Thanks!! Joseph Bacanskas [|] --- I use Smalltalk. My amp goes to eleven. |
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Hi!
"Jan Theodore Galkowski" <[hidden email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:[hidden email]... > Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter > or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? I'm currently porting AOKI Atsushi's Prolog interpreter and should have finished that in a a few days. I also looked at Prolog/V for which a Squeak port exists, but because that version is very tightly integrated with the Squeak compiler, that would be much more difficult to port. The same problem might exist with QSoul. bye -- Stefan Matthias Aust // Truth Until Paradox |
Hello,
On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote: > "Jan Theodore Galkowski" <[hidden email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:[hidden email]... > > Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter > > or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? > > I'm currently porting AOKI Atsushi's Prolog interpreter and should have > finished that in a a few days. At one point I've done some work on porting that as well (to Dolphin 3.0, as far as I remember). My approach was to throw away the GUI altogether (I didn't need that anyway) and work on the compiler and computation engine. I wasn't quite happy with the original structure of that interpreter, so I started some refactorings but didn't get very far. Anyway, AOKI Atsushi's interpreter is simple and should be a good starting point to play with logic programming. If one is looking for practical tool, my advice would be to use some other Prolog implementation, like SICStus or Amzi!, which can live in DLL. Interfacing that from Dolphin should be very easy. Artur Zaroda [hidden email] |
"Artur Zaroda" <[hidden email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:[hidden email]... > > Hello, > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote: > > > "Jan Theodore Galkowski" <[hidden email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:[hidden email]... > > > Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter > > > or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? > > > > I'm currently porting AOKI Atsushi's Prolog interpreter and should have > > finished that in a a few days. > > At one point I've done some work on porting that as well (to Dolphin 3.0, > as far as I remember). My approach was to throw away the GUI altogether > (I didn't need that anyway) and work on the compiler and computation > engine. I wasn't quite happy with the original structure of that > so I started some refactorings but didn't get very far. > > Anyway, AOKI Atsushi's interpreter is simple and should be a good starting > point to play with logic programming. If one is looking for practical tool, > my advice would be to use some other Prolog implementation, like SICStus > or Amzi!, which can live in DLL. Interfacing that from Dolphin should > be very easy. > > Artur Zaroda > [hidden email] > Hi, I agree with Artur, regarding practical use. Metalinguistic approaches are interesting, but mostly not much more than an academic toy. So are Prolog/V and Aokis Prolog implementations somewhat restrictive and (of course) not lighnting fast, though portable (in theory at least). For real world applications I would suggest a call interface to a *real* Prolog system like SICStus or Amzi. While the latter is free, the first is the (much) better. Some month ago, I offered an ActiveX for Dolphin call interface for SICStus to this group, but nobody showed interest. So if anybody wants it, just let me know. I also know of an socket based SICStus interface, which is somewhat slow, but should be portable across OS platforms. Ingo ibl at nexgo dot de |
Hi, Ingo, Artur, Stefan, and Joseph,
Thanks for all your suggestions and enthusiasm. I am asking because it does look like QSoul might be a bit tightly integrated with Squeak, although there actually isn't that much code and it could be rewritten. QSoul's or, rather, QSoul2's emphasis is upon "reasoning about Smalltalk programs" and I don't care about that, really. I simply want and need to use the QSoul repository as a kind of internal database for my applications. It also does not matter, to me, if the interpreter is blindingly fast or not. Any programming I do will be in Smalltalk, as I want it to be, but having a class which realizes a unification engine is very useful. QSoul is like that, but I am open to other suggestions. I have a licensed version of BProlog which I use from time to time but Smalltalk is my mainstay language, particularly Dolphin. If someone could send me fileouts of the Smalltalk/V Prolog goodie, I'd very much appreciate it. I don't have a lot of time to do something now, as it is needed for a class project, but I can throw something together good enough for the project and then polish it later. Plus, having a good unification engine as well documented and designed as T-Gen is a powerful feather in the Smalltalk cap. Thanks again, --Jan Ingo Blank wrote: > > "Artur Zaroda" <[hidden email]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:[hidden email]... > > > > Hello, > > > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2001, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote: > > > > > "Jan Theodore Galkowski" <[hidden email]> schrieb im > Newsbeitrag > > > news:[hidden email]... > > > > Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter > > > > or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? > > > > > > I'm currently porting AOKI Atsushi's Prolog interpreter and should have > > > finished that in a a few days. > > > > At one point I've done some work on porting that as well (to Dolphin 3.0, > > as far as I remember). My approach was to throw away the GUI altogether > > (I didn't need that anyway) and work on the compiler and computation > > engine. I wasn't quite happy with the original structure of that > interpreter, > > so I started some refactorings but didn't get very far. > > > > Anyway, AOKI Atsushi's interpreter is simple and should be a good starting > > point to play with logic programming. If one is looking for practical > tool, > > my advice would be to use some other Prolog implementation, like SICStus > > or Amzi!, which can live in DLL. Interfacing that from Dolphin should > > be very easy. > > > > Artur Zaroda > > [hidden email] > > > > Hi, > > I agree with Artur, regarding practical use. > Metalinguistic approaches are interesting, but mostly not much more than an > academic toy. So are Prolog/V and Aokis Prolog implementations somewhat > restrictive and > (of course) not lighnting fast, though portable (in theory at least). > > For real world applications I would suggest a call interface to a *real* > Prolog system like > SICStus or Amzi. While the latter is free, the first is the (much) better. > Some month ago, I offered an ActiveX for Dolphin call interface for SICStus > to this group, but nobody showed interest. > So if anybody wants it, just let me know. > > I also know of an socket based SICStus interface, which is somewhat slow, > but should be portable across OS platforms. > > Ingo > > ibl at nexgo dot de -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Theodore Galkowski [hidden email] The Smalltalk Idiom [hidden email] ********************************************************************* "Smalltalk? Yes, it's really that slick." --------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more? Check out http://www.dnsmith.com/SmallFAQ/ http://www.object-arts.com/DolphinWhitePaper.htm http://st-www.cs.uiuc.edu/users/johnson/smalltalk/ ********************************************************************* |
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I used to be the main developer of (Q)Soul (now we are with more people
wirking on it), and am responsible for all the non-Squeak ports. Currently these are all VisualWorks-flavoured, but I used to have VisualAge versions as well. I can do a Dolphin part without too much trouble. PS: to reply on the mail of Stefan Matthias: the integration of Qsoul with Smalltalk (luckily) is not tight. The only thing I need is is Compiler>>evaluate, which I have in every dialect. Otherwise it would have been difficult to get the VW, VA and Squeak versions out. Actually, I do not change the code at all when moving from Squeak (where the main development happens) to VW. PS2: I would be interested in seeing your port of AOKI Atsushi's Prolog. Is this the one that was in the Mei System ? -- Roel Wuyts Software Composition Group [hidden email] University of Bern, Switzerland http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~wuyts/ Board member of the European Smalltalk User Group: www.esug.org On 16/10/01 4:56, in article [hidden email], "Jan Theodore Galkowski" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter > or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? I am aware of > QSoul (or "QSoul2" in its current incarnation) but it's done for > Squeak and I'm looking for something a little more compatible. > > Failing that, anyone have experience porting QSoul or QSoul2? > And, failing that, how about any Logic Programming capability > within Smalltalk that's an alternative to QSoul? > > Thanks. |
Roel Wuyts wrote:
> > I used to be the main developer of (Q)Soul (now we are with more people > wirking on it), and am responsible for all the non-Squeak ports. Currently > these are all VisualWorks-flavoured, but I used to have VisualAge versions > as well. I can do a Dolphin part without too much trouble. > Roel, That'd be great, but I should do some of the work simply to get very familiar with the package. Can you send notes on how to proceed? Send to [hidden email]. TIA, --Jan [snip] > > On 16/10/01 4:56, in article [hidden email], "Jan Theodore > Galkowski" <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > Does anyone have any experience with creating a Prolog interpreter > > or LP unification engine within Dolphin Smalltalk? [snip] -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jan Theodore Galkowski [hidden email] The Smalltalk Idiom [hidden email] ********************************************************************* "Smalltalk? Yes, it's really that slick." --------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more? Check out http://www.dnsmith.com/SmallFAQ/ http://www.object-arts.com/DolphinWhitePaper.htm http://st-www.cs.uiuc.edu/users/johnson/smalltalk/ ********************************************************************* |
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