Proposal to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:

> On 22 Feb 2019, at 15:39, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Did you know that both Stream and Collection respond to #write: (as an alias to #<< and #add: respectively) ? I sure did not (and I did quite a bit of stream hacking).
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> This selector is not used for these 2 receiver types in the standard image (except for one unit test), I never saw it being used in actual code.
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> These are just aliases that add nothing but cognitive load.
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> They make the API's of two important hierarchies (and especially the interface for non-inheriting classes) heavier than needed for no functional benefit.
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> So I propose to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
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> What say thou ?
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> Sven
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> On 22 Feb 2019, at 15:57, Alistair Grant <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 15:50, Esteban Maringolo <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> El vie., 22 feb. 2019 a las 11:43, ducasse
>> (<[hidden email]>) escribió:
>>> + 1
>>> :)
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>>> But I’m an easy person when it is about cleaning.
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>> +1. That makes us two.
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> +1
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> Cheers,
> Alistair
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> On 22 Feb 2019, at 19:39, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> So I propose to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
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>> What say thou ?
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> Check the selectors used in the latest packages on squeaksource, ss3,
> smalltalkhub and decide.
>
> Stephan

> Am 22.02.2019 um 19:45 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]>:
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>> On 22 Feb 2019, at 19:39, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> .
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>>> So I propose to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
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>>> What say thou ?
>>
>> Check the selectors used in the latest packages on squeaksource, ss3,
>> smalltalkhub and decide.
>>
>> Stephan
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> You forgot GitHub and all private company repositories in the world.
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>> On 22 Feb 2019, at 19:39, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> .
>>> So I propose to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
>>>
>>> What say thou ?
>> Check the selectors used in the latest packages on squeaksource, ss3,
>> smalltalkhub and decide.
>>
>> Stephan
> You forgot GitHub and all private company repositories in the world.
>
>

> On 22 Feb 2019, at 19:54, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> From: Benoit St-Jean <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Proposal to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
> Date: 22 February 2019 at 19:54:55 GMT+1
> To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
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> Trying to be *somewhat* compatible and verifying (even quickly) that it's not breaking a gazillion things is the very least someone can do...  Backward compatibility is NOT a sin! ;)
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> On 2019-02-22 13:45, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
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>>> On 22 Feb 2019, at 19:39, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> .
>>>> So I propose to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
>>>>
>>>> What say thou ?
>>> Check the selectors used in the latest packages on squeaksource, ss3,
>>> smalltalkhub and decide.
>>>
>>> Stephan
>> You forgot GitHub and all private company repositories in the world.
>>
>>
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> On 22 Feb 2019, at 22:55, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> <intellectual response>
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> Many system classes contain lots of methods that are confusing, duplicates of similar functionality, bogus, old, unused, untested and undocumented . This makes the system more complex, especially for newcomers, but also for everyone else trying to make changes. This is often technical debt, cleanup that has been postponed.
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> It is important that knowledgeable developers try to clean up by simplifying things. If not, the situation will never improve.
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> Of course we have to be careful, in this particular case I was. We have done many hundreds of these removals in the past years, with very little problems. We have also done way more dangerous things, like change signatures and semantics of existing methods.
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> In my opinion we can safely go ahead and remove this. A couple of others concurred.
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> If someone wants to go through the trouble to do this with deprecation and a rewrite rule, fine.
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> <emotional response>
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> Sure, the responses
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> "Trying to be *somewhat* compatible and verifying (even quickly) that it's not breaking a gazillion things is the very least someone can do...  Backward compatibility is NOT a sin! ;):"
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> and
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> "Check the selectors used in the latest packages on squeaksource, ss3,
> smalltalkhub and decide."
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> are pure technical, intellectual arguments and not passive-aggressive criticism. Right.
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>> On 22 Feb 2019, at 19:54, Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> From: Benoit St-Jean <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] Proposal to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
>> Date: 22 February 2019 at 19:54:55 GMT+1
>> To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
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>> Trying to be *somewhat* compatible and verifying (even quickly) that it's not breaking a gazillion things is the very least someone can do...  Backward compatibility is NOT a sin! ;)
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>> On 2019-02-22 13:45, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
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>>>> On 22 Feb 2019, at 19:39, Stephan Eggermont <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> .
>>>>> So I propose to remove [Stream|Collection]>>#write:
>>>>>
>>>>> What say thou ?
>>>> Check the selectors used in the latest packages on squeaksource, ss3,
>>>> smalltalkhub and decide.
>>>>
>>>> Stephan
>>> You forgot GitHub and all private company repositories in the world.
>>>
>>>
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>> "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero".  (A. Einstein)
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