[Q] Seaside, SeasideAsync, Scriptaculous?

Hi,

Seaside is web application development (basic?) environment, right?  
Then, what is SeasideAsync? Is Scriptaculous is related to Ajax? Does  
anyone explain what are these to me?

Thanks in advance.
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> Then, what is SeasideAsync?

SeasideAsync is an Ajax framework built on top of the default rendering API.

> Is Scriptaculous is related to Ajax?

Scriptaculous is a powerful Ajax framework built on top of the new
canvas rendering API. It is using the prototype library and a couple
of extensions, documentation is available at <http://script.aculo.us>.
With Scriptaculous you can do very nice things, such as life-updates,
auto-completion, auto-submit, visual-effects, drag-and-drop, etc.

Lukas

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> Scriptaculous is a powerful Ajax framework built on top of the new
> canvas rendering API. It is using the prototype library and a couple
> of extensions, documentation is available at <http://script.aculo.us>.
> With Scriptaculous you can do very nice things, such as life-updates,
> auto-completion, auto-submit, visual-effects, drag-and-drop, etc.

Ahh, and I almost forgot the most important thing: in Seaside you can
use both frameworks *without* writing a single line of JavaScript
code. Especially Scriptaculous has a nice Smalltalk API that is
automatically mapped to the Scriptaculous prototypes.

Lukas

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Hi,

You mean SeasideAsync and Scriptaculous does the same thing, Ajax?  
Then, what is the difference between them?

Thanks in advance.

On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:

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Can I find doc on this or example code?

Thanks in advance.

On Feb 15, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote:
>
> Ahh, and I almost forgot the most important thing: in Seaside you can
> use both frameworks *without* writing a single line of JavaScript
> code. Especially Scriptaculous has a nice Smalltalk API that is
> automatically mapped to the Scriptaculous prototypes.
>
> Lukas
>

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Sungjin Chun <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You mean SeasideAsync and Scriptaculous does the same thing, Ajax?  
> Then, what is the difference between them?
>
> Thanks in advance.

As Lukas wrote - SeasideAsynch is the first attempt at an Ajax solution
- based on the "old" rendering API, which still is the default one
though. A component decides which API to use by implementing
rendererClass, check references to WARenderCanvas to find components
written for the new API - I noticed that ShoreComponents are written
against the new Canvas API so I looked at that code for some hints.

Scriptaculous is the new Ajax attempt based on the Canvas API.

So in short - use Seaside2a3 with WARenderCanvas with Scriptaculous. :)

regards, Göran

PS. I haven't yet actually used any of these.
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> You mean SeasideAsync and Scriptaculous does the same thing, Ajax?
> Then, what is the difference between them?

As far as I know, SeasideAsync is using its own client-side JavaScript
library. It does not provide sophisticated visual effects,
drag-and-drop, new controls, ...

Scriptaculous is using the well-known prototype based JavaScript
library. It is much more powerful than SeasideAsync and overcomes most
limitations.

> Can I find doc on this or example code?

The Scriptaculous has got an example application SUExample, if you
load the latest version reachable at
<http://localhost:8080/seaside/scriptaculous>. I don't know for
SeasideAsync, but you could just try to load it and look at its code.

Lukas

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 > Scriptaculous is using the well-known prototype based JavaScript
> library. It is much more powerful than SeasideAsync and overcomes most
> limitations.

On the downside:
It's a rather big library and Prototpye breaks many other Javascript
libraries. Also it works only with the Canvas API.

Especially forms are just simpler with SeasideAsync.

> I don't know for
> SeasideAsync, but you could just try to load it and look at its code.

SeasideAsync comes with tests/examples as well, see SeasideAsync-Tests.

Cheers
Philippe
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SeasideAsync works with the Canvas API as well.

For beginners I recommend starting with SeasideAsync because it's way
simpler to the something working.

Cheers
Philippe
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> As Lukas wrote - SeasideAsynch is the first attempt at an
> Ajax solution - based on the "old" rendering API, which still is the
> default one though.

As a matter of fact, the most recent versions of SeasideAsynch work
equally with both rendering APIs.

Although it does not provide any fancy effects, SeasideAsynch does a
very good job for most situations where you need a highly reactive UI.

We are successfully using it for a "serious" application.

Enjoy,
Michel.
 
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On Feb 15, 2006, at 12:43 AM, Philippe Marschall wrote:

>> Scriptaculous is using the well-known prototype based JavaScript
>> library. It is much more powerful than SeasideAsync and overcomes  
>> most
>> limitations.
>
> On the downside:
> It's a rather big library and Prototpye breaks many other Javascript
> libraries. Also it works only with the Canvas API.

One thing someone might want to look at is making Scriptaculous also  
work with moo.fx, which is roughly compatible with Prototype/
Script.aculo.us but is lighterweight and probably doesn't break  
things as much:

http://moofx.mad4milk.net/documentation/

Avi
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Hi!

"Bany, Michel" <[hidden email]> wrote:
I stand corrected. :) And that sounds interesting - then it might be
something I could use - I am not that interested in visual effects - but
rather interactivity.

regards, Göran
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