Question about Morphic
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Dear All,
I know some of you are morphic expert :-) I am still on the quest to make Mondrian usuable in Squeak/Pharo. The situation is the following: I have a window having scrollbar, and I am trying to render (using Balloon) something bigger than what the window can actually display. Balloon seems to not be aware of the part of the canvas being actually displayed. It simply try to render everything. Is my guess right? Can anyone confirm please? Is there a way to turn this on? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2009/2/22 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
> Dear All, > > I know some of you are morphic expert :-) > I am still on the quest to make Mondrian usuable in Squeak/Pharo. The > situation is the following: I have a window having scrollbar, and I am > trying to render (using Balloon) something bigger than what the window > can actually display. Balloon seems to not be aware of the part of the > canvas being actually displayed. It simply try to render everything. > Is my guess right? Can anyone confirm please? > Is there a way to turn this on? > So, you can send a command to render a rectangle (-1000 @ -1000) corner: (10000 @10000) but depends on canvas clipping area, it will render only part of it. Also, for displaying morphs withing area with scrolling - use a TransformMorph to apply clipping & sroll in view. There are another morphs , ready for use , like ScrollPane > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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> canvas being actually displayed. It simply try to render everything.
> Is my guess right? Can anyone confirm please? > Is there a way to turn this on? In the original implementation whenever a shape was draw, all child shapes were clipped according to the bounds of the parent shape. So the root shape clipped to the bounds of the window. You could test before drawing if the shape is visible at all, however in my experience you do not gain any speed because the graphic engine is much faster at performing such tests. At some points I also experimented with R- and Generalized Search Trees, but I figured out that in most cases it is not worth the troubles. For Mondrian visualization the whole dataset is normally displayed anyway. These kind of trees only bring speed improvement, if typically only a fraction of a huge amount of data is visible, like this is the case in a game world or a CAD application. Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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> Canvas has the clipping capabilities.
> So, you can send a command to render a rectangle (-1000 @ -1000) > corner: (10000 @10000) > but depends on canvas clipping area, it will render only part of it. > > Also, for displaying morphs withing area with scrolling - use a > TransformMorph to apply clipping & sroll in view. > There are another morphs , ready for use , like ScrollPane I exactly use a ScrollBar. Here is a code excerpt: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | window pane | window := SystemWindow labelled: 'Mondrian Canvas'. window model: self. window extent: 640 @ 480. pane := ScrollPane new. canvas := MOCanvas on: self root. pane scroller addMorph: canvas. window addMorph: pane frame: (0 @ 0 corner: 1 @ 1). window openInWorld. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= MOCanvas is a subclass of Morph that is resized on some point. Apparently, this incantation does not activate this clipping. Alexandre > > >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Thanks to all of you for your prompt answer.
> You could test before drawing if the shape is visible at all, however > in my experience you do not gain any speed because the graphic engine > is much faster at performing such tests. At some points I also > experimented with R- and Generalized Search Trees, but I figured out > that in most cases it is not worth the troubles. For Mondrian > visualization the whole dataset is normally displayed anyway. These > kind of trees only bring speed improvement, if typically only a > fraction of a huge amount of data is visible, like this is the case in > a game world or a CAD application. This is also what I would expect. But Apparently, displaying a lot of nodes outside the window slow the whole thing down. I get this profiling: http://bergel.eu/Picture1.png For this window being displayed: http://bergel.eu/Picture2.png I think I will try to the display boxes that I am sure they are contained in the visible part of the window. The polymorph extension seem to ease this. Thanks again, Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2009/2/22 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
> Thanks to all of you for your prompt answer. > >> You could test before drawing if the shape is visible at all, however >> in my experience you do not gain any speed because the graphic engine >> is much faster at performing such tests. At some points I also >> experimented with R- and Generalized Search Trees, but I figured out >> that in most cases it is not worth the troubles. For Mondrian >> visualization the whole dataset is normally displayed anyway. These >> kind of trees only bring speed improvement, if typically only a >> fraction of a huge amount of data is visible, like this is the case in >> a game world or a CAD application. > > This is also what I would expect. But Apparently, displaying a lot of > nodes outside the window slow the whole thing down. > > I get this profiling: http://bergel.eu/Picture1.png > For this window being displayed: http://bergel.eu/Picture2.png > > I think I will try to the display boxes that I am sure they are > contained in the visible part of the window. The polymorph extension > seem to ease this. > canvas isVisible: aRectangle > Thanks again, > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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2009/2/22 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>:
>> Canvas has the clipping capabilities. >> So, you can send a command to render a rectangle (-1000 @ -1000) >> corner: (10000 @10000) >> but depends on canvas clipping area, it will render only part of it. >> >> Also, for displaying morphs withing area with scrolling - use a >> TransformMorph to apply clipping & sroll in view. >> There are another morphs , ready for use , like ScrollPane > > I exactly use a ScrollBar. Here is a code excerpt: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | window pane | > window := SystemWindow labelled: 'Mondrian Canvas'. > window model: self. > window extent: 640 @ 480. > pane := ScrollPane new. > > canvas := MOCanvas on: self root. > pane scroller addMorph: canvas. > window > addMorph: pane > frame: (0 @ 0 corner: 1 @ 1). > window openInWorld. > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > MOCanvas is a subclass of Morph that is resized on some point. > > Apparently, this incantation does not activate this clipping. > look for examples of it in other morphs. > Alexandre > >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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> canvas isVisible: aRectangle
You great Man Igor, spaciba Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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The scroller itself provides the transform morph that deals with offsetting
within the scrollpane. Canvases are used in the drawing cycle of morphs so a morph of some kind (that implements drawOn: and draws the graphics) should be added to the scroller of the scrollpane. The transform morph sets the clipping rectangle for drawing its submorphs. |window pane m| window := SystemWindow labelled: 'Mondrian Canvas'. window model: self. window extent: 640 @ 480. pane := ScrollPane new. m := PolygonMorph new position: 250@200; extent: 400@300. pane scroller addMorph: m. window addMorph: pane frame: (0 @ 0 corner: 1 @ 1). window openInWorld. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor Stasenko" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Question about Morphic > 2009/2/22 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>: >>> Canvas has the clipping capabilities. >>> So, you can send a command to render a rectangle (-1000 @ -1000) >>> corner: (10000 @10000) >>> but depends on canvas clipping area, it will render only part of it. >>> >>> Also, for displaying morphs withing area with scrolling - use a >>> TransformMorph to apply clipping & sroll in view. >>> There are another morphs , ready for use , like ScrollPane >> >> I exactly use a ScrollBar. Here is a code excerpt: >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> | window pane | >> window := SystemWindow labelled: 'Mondrian Canvas'. >> window model: self. >> window extent: 640 @ 480. >> pane := ScrollPane new. >> >> canvas := MOCanvas on: self root. >> pane scroller addMorph: canvas. >> window >> addMorph: pane >> frame: (0 @ 0 corner: 1 @ 1). >> window openInWorld. >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >> >> MOCanvas is a subclass of Morph that is resized on some point. >> >> Apparently, this incantation does not activate this clipping. >> > Well, i'm not sure how to use ScrollPane properly.. > look for examples of it in other morphs. > >> Alexandre >> >>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Thanks Gary,
Cheers, Alexandre On 23 Feb 2009, at 12:36, Gary Chambers wrote: > The scroller itself provides the transform morph that deals with > offsetting > within the scrollpane. > Canvases are used in the drawing cycle of morphs so a morph of some > kind > (that implements drawOn: and draws the graphics) should be added to > the > scroller of the scrollpane. The transform morph sets the clipping > rectangle > for drawing its submorphs. > > |window pane m| > window := SystemWindow labelled: 'Mondrian Canvas'. > window model: self. > window extent: 640 @ 480. > pane := ScrollPane new. > m := PolygonMorph new > position: 250@200; > extent: 400@300. > pane scroller addMorph: m. > window > addMorph: pane > frame: (0 @ 0 corner: 1 @ 1). > window openInWorld. > > > Regards, Gary > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Igor Stasenko" <[hidden email]> > To: <[hidden email]> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 12:11 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Question about Morphic > > >> 2009/2/22 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]>: >>>> Canvas has the clipping capabilities. >>>> So, you can send a command to render a rectangle (-1000 @ -1000) >>>> corner: (10000 @10000) >>>> but depends on canvas clipping area, it will render only part of >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Also, for displaying morphs withing area with scrolling - use a >>>> TransformMorph to apply clipping & sroll in view. >>>> There are another morphs , ready for use , like ScrollPane >>> >>> I exactly use a ScrollBar. Here is a code excerpt: >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> | window pane | >>> window := SystemWindow labelled: 'Mondrian Canvas'. >>> window model: self. >>> window extent: 640 @ 480. >>> pane := ScrollPane new. >>> >>> canvas := MOCanvas on: self root. >>> pane scroller addMorph: canvas. >>> window >>> addMorph: pane >>> frame: (0 @ 0 corner: 1 @ 1). >>> window openInWorld. >>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>> >>> MOCanvas is a subclass of Morph that is resized on some point. >>> >>> Apparently, this incantation does not activate this clipping. >>> >> Well, i'm not sure how to use ScrollPane properly.. >> look for examples of it in other morphs. >> >>> Alexandre >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alexandre >>>>> -- >>>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo- >>>>> project >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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