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RE: Getting my project started from the ground up.. (usingSeaside, Glorp, Mewa?)

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Ramon Leon

RE: Getting my project started from the ground up.. (usingSeaside, Glorp, Mewa?)

> > Hi all again.. I've gotten my feet wet a bit more with both
> SmallTalk
> > and a bit more with Seaside and would like to get started
> on a project
> > I've currently got written in PHP with MySQL (as some of you may
> > recall). I've since installed PostgreSQL...I've started modelling
> > some of my tables ...
>
> Are you obliged to use SQL Tables (existing tables ? )?
> because I find that to learn, it's better not to take care of
> the persistance... especially in relationnal database...
> 1 - easiest way: you directly store your objects in the
> smalltalk image
> 2 - natural way: you use an object database
> 3 - twisted way: you map your objects in a relational DB :) ...
>

Have to agree, your best bet, being new to Smalltalk, is to avoid the
whole database issue, and just use plain old objects in the image, spend
your time learning Smalltalk and Seaside, avoid Mewa and Magritte until
you grok Smalltalk and Seaside, otherwise you'll only be confused and
unable to extend them to do what you need. Once you can whip stuff up
with just objects and Seaside and you tire of writing forms by hand,
then give Magritte a try. Getting involved in transactional persistence
before you can even hack up simple apps in Seaside is just a complete
waste of time and will only lead to frustration.
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Ramon Leon

RE: Getting my project started from the ground up.. (usingSeaside, Glorp, Mewa?)

> Yes, there are currently not many changes but bug-fixes to be
> expected. Later on this year I will go for a next version,
> Magritte 1.1, that takes advantage of the new Pragmas in
> Squeak (that are compatible with VisualWorks) and will allow
> to separate view and model even further.

Sweet, I was wondering if it might head in that direction, nice to know
that's on your roadmap. Btw, great work man, keep it up.
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Rick Flower

Re: Getting my project started from the ground up.. (usingSeaside, Glorp, Mewa?)

Ramon Leon wrote:
>> Yes, there are currently not many changes but bug-fixes to be
>> expected. Later on this year I will go for a next version,
>> Magritte 1.1, that takes advantage of the new Pragmas in
>> Squeak (that are compatible with VisualWorks) and will allow
>> to separate view and model even further.
>>
> Sweet, I was wondering if it might head in that direction, nice to know
> that's on your roadmap. Btw, great work man, keep it up.
>
I hope Lukas won't get mad at me, but he indicated to me that Magritte
does not currently
run in the VisualWorks environment, but that he's interested in working
with someone to get the
code up and going if someone is interested. If I were more versed in
SmallTalk, I'd
take him up on the offer, but I'm way too wet behind the ears at this
point in time..

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