RV: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London

Me suena muy raro que no hayan publicado tan importante anuncio en la
lista de Dolphin, como que tampoco se haya hablado del tema en la
"twittosfera".

El hermetismo no me cae muy simpático, será cuestion de SEGUIR
esperando, y tal vez para fin de año se abra la caja de Pandora.

Saludos.


Esteban A. Maringolo


2010/7/21 Leo De Marco <[hidden email]>

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> > De: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:[hidden email]
> > [hidden email]] En nombre de Alejandro F. Reimondo
> > Enviado el: miércoles, 21 de julio de 2010 08:57 a.m.
> > Para: [hidden email]
> > Asunto: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After weeks of work in Berlin and committing important bussiness in
> > England,
> >  my partner Frank Lesser and me attended Camp Smalltalk London [1].
> > We made at the Camp the first presentation about our
> >  Next Generation platform [2].
> > We had full audience! It is really nice to see how much
> >  smalltalkers are interested in facing a fresh future for smalltalk!
> >
> > We have shown our VM running and made an informal presentation
> >  of some low level details of the platform and promoted conversation
> >  about what we call the next Generation of Smalltalk technology,
> >  how it can impact in smalltalk world and the benefits of the business
> >  plan I designed in the last years that make real zero cost portability
> >  technically possible between smalltalk platforms (and other).
> > Frank have shown slides related with the history of our enterprise,
> >  also some information about previous VMs and commented about the
> >  limitations imposed by choosing intermediate languages (like C)
> >  in our old VMs, and a few words about features that was possible
> >  to implement in our new version of the VM (we have released version
> > 2.0)
> >  with our assembler to build the VM (speed matters but it is
> >  not the only reason to use our ASM). [3]
> > I talked about our compromise with Smalltalk History and how
> >  it was considered in the design of our strategy to face the near
> > future,
> >  also talked about our inmediate plans and how our VM can be used
> >  to host simultaneously diferent smalltalk platform without loosing
> >  perfomance and exchanging information.
> > We also shown at the camp the Expresso framework and how
> >  VSE applications run hosted by our VM in minutes.
> >
> > We will make the next presentations of the platform in our Event in
> >  Tarvisio (Italy) at end of September of this year.
> > Contact us if your company is interested in our technology
> >  and/or you want to attend the event this year [4], we need
> >  to know in advance how much people will attend and
> >  also send you information and conditions we need to
> >  agree to use our platform at the event.
> > The Tarvisio event is designed to understand, explore and try
> >  our platform from the inside. This year we will make focus on
> > workshops
> >  to exploit the new features, try integration frameworks and as usual
> > (the
> > most
> >  important topics...) migration and maintenance.
> > The workshop on VM internals, migration and new features are included
> >  as in the Round-0 event last year. [5]
> >
> > I wish to thank the excellent care and kindness of the people of
> > Pinesoft,
> >  Cincom, ESUG and Instantiations.
> > We ahve had dinner at the ABSOLUTE Icebar (soponsored by Cincom)
> >  but couldn't enter in the Icenbar because Frank was ill and we needed
> >  to return hotel. Hope will be another opportunity soon to visit! :-)
> >
> > Also a big thank to James Robertson that made us a postcast
> >  we are anxious and waiting for the media for people
> >  that could'nt be there.
> > James made a montage of the entire Camp Smalltalk event [6].
> >
> > with best regards,
> > Ale.
> >
> > [1] http://cslondon2010.eventbrite.com/
> > [2] http://www.dng.st
> > [3] http://www.dng.st/gvm.htm
> > [4] http://www.dng.st/impressum.htm
> > [5] http://www.dng.st/tarvisio_2009_report.htm
> > [6] http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView
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Te contesto algunas que me las se…

 

- Supuestamente son mas rapidos que todos. Pero, cuando le pregutamos sobre benchmarks o "cuanto" mas rapido eran, la respuesta fue que era info sensible y que solo se lo decían a sus clientes

Por lo que se hasta 4 veces mas rapido que vs, pero eso fue con la vm v1, no se la actual

 

- La VM soportaría varios lenguages. No sólo dialectos Smalltalk, pero sino otros lenguajes. Onda como podes hacer un connector para Ruby en Gemstone....lo que deberias hacer es el bytecode transofrmation creo, no estoy seguro.

aca esta la explicacion: http://www.dng.st/gvm.htm lo interesante me parece es que va a bancar MSIL, eso para muchas empresas y no empresas creo que es algo interesante y valioso para plataformas windows

 

A ver si logramos sacarles una version para la popu! jajaja

 

abrazo,

Leo

 

De: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] En nombre de Mariano Martinez Peck
Enviado el: jueves, 22 de julio de 2010 07:12 a.m.
Para: [hidden email]
Asunto: Re: [clubSmalltalk] RV: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London

 

Yo estuvo ahí en la charla. James Robertson la filmó, así que subirá el video a su sitio (si ya no lo hizo).

La verdad es que la charla estuvo buena, pero hasta ahí nomas. O sea, comentaron las ventajas y las cosas buenas que tiene. Pero...no comentaron nada a nivel técnico ni implementativo.
Lo peor (pobre) fue que Frank estaba muy enfermo y sin voz...

Claramente tienen una visión totalmente distinta a la mía, pero la acepto completamente. Les tiro las puntas que YO entendí:

- No es, ni nunca va a ser open-source
- Supuestamente son mas rapidos que todos. Pero, cuando le pregutamos sobre benchmarks o "cuanto" mas rapido eran, la respuesta fue que era info sensible y que solo se lo decían a sus clientes
- Supuestamente la migración es posta, facil y anda
- La VM soportaría varios lenguages. No sólo dialectos Smalltalk, pero sino otros lenguajes. Onda como podes hacer un connector para Ruby en Gemstone....lo que deberias hacer es el bytecode transofrmation creo, no estoy seguro.
- Multithread and multiprocess
- The VM is written in Assembly, not C.
- Only windows for the moment, but just because they clients run windows. They said everything will be on demand, when someone pays. If a client wants Linux, they will do it. If the client wants a multithredaded debugger, they will do it....etc
- Podrias tener varias imagenes, incluso de dialectos distintos, corriendo en cpus o thredas distintos, y enviarse mensajes de uno a otro.

bueno, eso es mas o menos lo que yo entendí. Tal vez la realidad sea un poco parecida ;)

Saludos

Mariano

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <[hidden email]> wrote:

Me suena muy raro que no hayan publicado tan importante anuncio en la
lista de Dolphin, como que tampoco se haya hablado del tema en la
"twittosfera".

El hermetismo no me cae muy simpático, será cuestion de SEGUIR
esperando, y tal vez para fin de año se abra la caja de Pandora.

Saludos.


Esteban A. Maringolo


2010/7/21 Leo De Marco <[hidden email]>

>
> Para los que esten en Londres!
>
> > -----Mensaje original-----
> > De: Using Visual Smalltalk for Windows/Enterprise [mailto:[hidden email]
> > [hidden email]] En nombre de Alejandro F. Reimondo
> > Enviado el: miércoles, 21 de julio de 2010 08:57 a.m.
> > Para: [hidden email]
> > Asunto: Next Generation @ Camp Smalltalk London
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > After weeks of work in Berlin and committing important bussiness in
> > England,
> >  my partner Frank Lesser and me attended Camp Smalltalk London [1].
> > We made at the Camp the first presentation about our
> >  Next Generation platform [2].
> > We had full audience! It is really nice to see how much
> >  smalltalkers are interested in facing a fresh future for smalltalk!
> >
> > We have shown our VM running and made an informal presentation
> >  of some low level details of the platform and promoted conversation
> >  about what we call the next Generation of Smalltalk technology,
> >  how it can impact in smalltalk world and the benefits of the business
> >  plan I designed in the last years that make real zero cost portability
> >  technically possible between smalltalk platforms (and other).
> > Frank have shown slides related with the history of our enterprise,
> >  also some information about previous VMs and commented about the
> >  limitations imposed by choosing intermediate languages (like C)
> >  in our old VMs, and a few words about features that was possible
> >  to implement in our new version of the VM (we have released version
> > 2.0)
> >  with our assembler to build the VM (speed matters but it is
> >  not the only reason to use our ASM). [3]
> > I talked about our compromise with Smalltalk History and how
> >  it was considered in the design of our strategy to face the near
> > future,
> >  also talked about our inmediate plans and how our VM can be used
> >  to host simultaneously diferent smalltalk platform without loosing
> >  perfomance and exchanging information.
> > We also shown at the camp the Expresso framework and how
> >  VSE applications run hosted by our VM in minutes.
> >
> > We will make the next presentations of the platform in our Event in
> >  Tarvisio (Italy) at end of September of this year.
> > Contact us if your company is interested in our technology
> >  and/or you want to attend the event this year [4], we need
> >  to know in advance how much people will attend and
> >  also send you information and conditions we need to
> >  agree to use our platform at the event.
> > The Tarvisio event is designed to understand, explore and try
> >  our platform from the inside. This year we will make focus on
> > workshops
> >  to exploit the new features, try integration frameworks and as usual
> > (the
> > most
> >  important topics...) migration and maintenance.
> > The workshop on VM internals, migration and new features are included
> >  as in the Round-0 event last year. [5]
> >
> > I wish to thank the excellent care and kindness of the people of
> > Pinesoft,
> >  Cincom, ESUG and Instantiations.
> > We ahve had dinner at the ABSOLUTE Icebar (soponsored by Cincom)
> >  but couldn't enter in the Icenbar because Frank was ill and we needed
> >  to return hotel. Hope will be another opportunity soon to visit! :-)
> >
> > Also a big thank to James Robertson that made us a postcast
> >  we are anxious and waiting for the media for people
> >  that could'nt be there.
> > James made a montage of the entire Camp Smalltalk event [6].
> >
> > with best regards,
> > Ale.
> >
> > [1] http://cslondon2010.eventbrite.com/
> > [2] http://www.dng.st
> > [3] http://www.dng.st/gvm.htm
> > [4] http://www.dng.st/impressum.htm
> > [5] http://www.dng.st/tarvisio_2009_report.htm
> > [6] http://www.jarober.com/blog/blogView
> >
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