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> I will be giving a two days "Seaside Tutorial" the 24th and 25th > February 2006 at the Nordakademie in Hamburg, Germany. It will be > given in german, but the slides, examples and exercises are all in > english. If somebody is interested to attend you should contact the > Nordakademie. I just came home from the Seaside Tutorial in Germany, everything went well during those two days and I am quite happy with the results. Again the students had to fill a feedback form at the end of the course that I would like to share the results with you. To give a comparison I provide the results of the last years course (2005, first value) and this years course (2006, second value). 18 / 17 students filled the feedback form, there were 20 / 21 registered attendees. Note that my intention is not to advertise the tutorial, what I want to do is to show that anybody knowledgeable in Seaside is able to successfully spread our technology to beginners. Anybody that wants to give a Seaside course anywhere in the world can take my slides, exercises, and solutions and do something that helps to get people aware of Seaside. This is the goal. The next thing to do, is to find a way to improve the values in Question 2b. Any ideas? 1. selection of topics: - too simple, nothing new: 0% / 0% - right, well understandable: 100% / 100% - too difficult, too many prerequisites: 0% / 0% 2a. personal profit: - very high: 47% / 39% - high: 47% / 50% - low: 6% / 11% - very low: 0% 2b. profit for work: - very high: 0% / 0% - high: 29% / 28% - low: 59% / 61% - very low: 12% / 17% (comments: smalltalk is dead, seaside is not used in our company, we only use SAP, dead technology) 3. possibility of interaction: - yes, question were answered: 100% / 94% - adequate, some questions were answered: 0% / 6% - no, questions were not answered: 0% / 0% 4. instructor: - convincing in matter and person: 100% / 94% - not completely convincing: 0% / 6% - not convincing: 0% / 0% 5. length of the tutorial: - should be shorter: 0% / 0% - exactly right size: 67% / 59% - should be longer: 33% / 41% 6. satisfaction: - very satisfied: 67% / 76% - satisfied: 33% / 24% - not really satisfied: 0% / 0% - not satisfied at all: 0% / 0% 7. accolade, criticism - cool - great, want to learn more - I would like to attend another tutorial with advanced topics - Seaside is very powerful, introduction well structured - excellent exercises, good support - I am impressed by the technology - nice instructor (was this written by a girl?) ;-) - ... 8. overal grade (1 very good - 6 very bad) 1.39 / 1.29 -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Fri, Mar 03, 2006 at 09:55:16PM +0100, Lukas Renggli wrote:
> > I just came home from the Seaside Tutorial in Germany, everything went > well during those two days and I am quite happy with the results. > Again the students had to fill a feedback form at the end of the > course that I would like to share the results with you. To give a > comparison I provide the results of the last years course (2005, first > value) and this years course (2006, second value). 18 / 17 students > filled the feedback form, there were 20 / 21 registered attendees. > > Note that my intention is not to advertise the tutorial, what I want > to do is to show that anybody knowledgeable in Seaside is able to > successfully spread our technology to beginners. Anybody that wants to > give a Seaside course anywhere in the world can take my slides, > exercises, and solutions and do something that helps to get people > aware of Seaside. This is the goal. Thanks for sharing this, and for making the slides available. This seems to be a strong positive response for both years. > The next thing to do, is to find a > way to improve the values in Question 2b. Any ideas? > 2b. profit for work: > - very high: 0% / 0% > - high: 29% / 28% > - low: 59% / 61% > - very low: 12% / 17% > (comments: smalltalk is dead, seaside is not used in our company, we > only use SAP, dead technology) Write a connector for SAP, call it "SAP on Rails," get rich, and donate the proceeds to SqueakFoundation. Dave _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Thanks lukas this is great and I like the idea that people could do
tutorials. ESUG or SqF could also help promoting that. Stef On 3 mars 06, at 21:55, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Hi, > >> I will be giving a two days "Seaside Tutorial" the 24th and 25th >> February 2006 at the Nordakademie in Hamburg, Germany. It will be >> given in german, but the slides, examples and exercises are all in >> english. If somebody is interested to attend you should contact the >> Nordakademie. > > I just came home from the Seaside Tutorial in Germany, everything went > well during those two days and I am quite happy with the results. > Again the students had to fill a feedback form at the end of the > course that I would like to share the results with you. To give a > comparison I provide the results of the last years course (2005, first > value) and this years course (2006, second value). 18 / 17 students > filled the feedback form, there were 20 / 21 registered attendees. > > Note that my intention is not to advertise the tutorial, what I want > to do is to show that anybody knowledgeable in Seaside is able to > successfully spread our technology to beginners. Anybody that wants to > give a Seaside course anywhere in the world can take my slides, > exercises, and solutions and do something that helps to get people > aware of Seaside. This is the goal. The next thing to do, is to find a > way to improve the values in Question 2b. Any ideas? > > 1. selection of topics: > - too simple, nothing new: 0% / 0% > - right, well understandable: 100% / 100% > - too difficult, too many prerequisites: 0% / 0% > > 2a. personal profit: > - very high: 47% / 39% > - high: 47% / 50% > - low: 6% / 11% > - very low: 0% > > 2b. profit for work: > - very high: 0% / 0% > - high: 29% / 28% > - low: 59% / 61% > - very low: 12% / 17% > (comments: smalltalk is dead, seaside is not used in our company, we > only use SAP, dead technology) > > 3. possibility of interaction: > - yes, question were answered: 100% / 94% > - adequate, some questions were answered: 0% / 6% > - no, questions were not answered: 0% / 0% > > 4. instructor: > - convincing in matter and person: 100% / 94% > - not completely convincing: 0% / 6% > - not convincing: 0% / 0% > > 5. length of the tutorial: > - should be shorter: 0% / 0% > - exactly right size: 67% / 59% > - should be longer: 33% / 41% > > 6. satisfaction: > - very satisfied: 67% / 76% > - satisfied: 33% / 24% > - not really satisfied: 0% / 0% > - not satisfied at all: 0% / 0% > > 7. accolade, criticism > - cool > - great, want to learn more > - I would like to attend another tutorial with advanced topics > - Seaside is very powerful, introduction well structured > - excellent exercises, good support > - I am impressed by the technology > - nice instructor (was this written by a girl?) ;-) > - ... > > 8. overal grade (1 very good - 6 very bad) > 1.39 / 1.29 > > -- > Lukas Renggli > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Lukas Renggli a écrit :
> Hi, > >> I will be giving a two days "Seaside Tutorial" the 24th and 25th >> February 2006 at the Nordakademie in Hamburg, Germany. It will be >> given in german, but the slides, examples and exercises are all in >> english. If somebody is interested to attend you should contact the >> Nordakademie. > > I just came home from the Seaside Tutorial in Germany, everything went > well during those two days and I am quite happy with the results. > Again the students had to fill a feedback form at the end of the > course that I would like to share the results with you. To give a > comparison I provide the results of the last years course (2005, first > value) and this years course (2006, second value). 18 / 17 students > filled the feedback form, there were 20 / 21 registered attendees. > > Note that my intention is not to advertise the tutorial, what I want > to do is to show that anybody knowledgeable in Seaside is able to > successfully spread our technology to beginners. Anybody that wants to > give a Seaside course anywhere in the world can take my slides, > exercises, and solutions and do something that helps to get people > aware of Seaside. This is the goal. The next thing to do, is to find a > way to improve the values in Question 2b. Any ideas? > Thanks you for the slides, Lukas. I will soon make my own Seaside tutorial in the north of France for two days in April. This is a workshop about the tools that can be use to teach web programming in the university courses (more precisely in french Institute of Technology). Look here for details : http://webmaub.univ-valenciennes.fr/infospratiques/ Sorry only in french. Maybe, we can put a page on seaside.st for the promotion of Seaside tutorials and courses ? PS : i have no real answer for question 2b. Just make noise about Seaside, everywhere ! -- oooo Dr. Serge Stinckwich OOOOOOOO Université de Caen>CNRS UMR 6072>GREYC>MAD OOESUGOO http://purl.org/net/SergeStinckwich oooooo Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] \ / ## _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> ... The next thing to do, is to find a > way to improve the values in Question 2b. Any ideas? > > 2b. profit for work: > - very high: 0% / 0% > - high: 29% / 28% > - low: 59% / 61% > - very low: 12% / 17% We need to show the value. It's a bit of a chicken 'n egg, because real value takes some major investment. I think we need a lower barrier to entry, to get a foot in to show the value. Seasidehosting is a great step. The hosting facility is fine. But I don't see a lot of apps yet. Has not enough time elapsed, or is building a Seaside app still too hard? Don't know the answer. Earlier, on seasidehosting, I counted 63 sites, but only 16 running (one of them www itself). Of the 16, only 7 had an app linked from the default path. Of those, 3 were Pier apps. > (comments: smalltalk is dead, seaside is not used in our company, we > only use SAP, dead technology) We could benefit from the equivalent to Ruby on Rails video, if it's possible. It would demostrate the simple stuff is easy. The hard stuff is possible with any language, but people never seem to think their app is so hard that they need to carefully chose the language/env. to handle the hard stuff. I went to the local Ruby user group meeting yesterday, and got a quick run through of RoR. Naturally, it was far more awkward than the video makes out, and the limitations are there (i.e. venture far from the standard scenario, and you can do it, but it may be hard). The group's website led me to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2006/view/e_sess/9113 and here's a quote from that link: "... recently lost a potentially great client because the client concluded that we were the only dedicated Rails consulting shop in the city. If we disappeared, who would help them? We realized that the best way to help ourselves was to create competition! Our solution to this is Toronto Rails Pub Nite. We were hoping 10-12 people would come, but it currently looks like we are expecting 50-100 developers at our inaugural event right after March 13th." The talk amongst the Rubyist at the table was that they're fighting to get corporate adoption - almost all the same arguments against as for Smalltalk (except for "dead" talk - they have a "too immature" label instead). _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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[I sent this earlier, but haven't seen it appear. Hope it's not a repost]
Lukas Renggli wrote: > ... The next thing to do, is to find a > way to improve the values in Question 2b. Any ideas? > > 2b. profit for work: > - very high: 0% / 0% > - high: 29% / 28% > - low: 59% / 61% > - very low: 12% / 17% We need to show the value. It's a bit of a chicken 'n egg, because real value takes some major investment. I think we need a lower barrier to entry, to get a foot in to show the value. Seasidehosting is a great step. The hosting facility is fine. But I don't see a lot of apps yet. Has not enough time elapsed, or is building a Seaside app still too hard? Don't know the answer. Earlier, on seasidehosting, I counted 63 sites, but only 16 running (one of them www itself). Of the 16, only 7 had an app linked from the default path. Of those, 3 were Pier apps. > (comments: smalltalk is dead, seaside is not used in our company, we > only use SAP, dead technology) We could benefit from the equivalent to Ruby on Rails video, if it's possible. It would demostrate the simple stuff is easy. The hard stuff is possible with any language, but people never seem to think their app is so hard that they need to carefully chose the language/env. to handle the hard stuff. I went to the local Ruby user group meeting yesterday, and got a quick run through of RoR. Naturally, it was far more awkward than the video makes out, and the limitations are there (i.e. venture far from the standard scenario, and you can do it, but it may be hard). The group's website led me to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2006/view/e_sess/9113 and here's a quote from that link: "... recently lost a potentially great client because the client concluded that we were the only dedicated Rails consulting shop in the city. If we disappeared, who would help them? We realized that the best way to help ourselves was to create competition! Our solution to this is Toronto Rails Pub Nite. We were hoping 10-12 people would come, but it currently looks like we are expecting 50-100 developers at our inaugural event right after March 13th." The talk amongst the Rubyist at the table was that they're fighting to get corporate adoption - almost all the same arguments against as for Smalltalk (except for "dead" talk - they have a "too immature" label instead). _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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> > Seasidehosting is a great step. The hosting facility is fine. > But I don't see a lot of apps yet. Has not enough time elapsed, > or is building a Seaside app still too hard? Don't know the > answer. Earlier, on seasidehosting, I counted 63 sites, but > only 16 running (one of them www itself). Of the 16, only 7 had > an app linked from the default path. Of those, 3 were Pier apps. I have been using Smalltalk for more than 4 years now. And I must admit I find seaside hard. I have the idea of the html code I want to be generated. I believe I know enough Smalltalk to express my idea in Smalltalk. But I always get stuck with little problems, how to do this, how to do that. The different tutorials on Seaside I found explained very basic examples (f.e. the counter). I am trying to make a website to replace my current blog (using a php app). I just want a small webpage, with menus on the side and 1, or 2 at most, entries. I think a tutorial showing how to reverse engineer from the html to the seaside would be nice. I would bet most of the people interested to try out seaside already know html, possibly php, or even $(whatever) Server Pages. I had given up on seaside, but seasidehosting gave me the will to pick up seaside again. Yann -- Yann Monclair -- Email: [hidden email] 2, rue Camille Claudel -- Phone: +33 298 979323 29900 Concarneau -- Cell : +33 663 948092 FRANCE -- WWW : http://yann.monclair.info _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Hi Yann,
> The different tutorials on Seaside I found explained very basic examples > (f.e. the counter). I am trying to make a website to replace my current > blog (using a php app). the tutorial that I am usually doing during two days together with students knowing Smalltalk and that gives a complete overview on Seaside is available at <http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/smalltalk/seaside/tutorial>. If you carefully go through the slides, you might be able to do it on your own. There are exercises that build up a full blown ticket-selling application, with menus, tasks, reports, and so on. The exercises gradually increase in difficulty and go with the slides, e.g. one section of the exercises practices the things shown in one set of slides. Moreover there are ready to use images for Squeak and VisualWorks and I can also send you the solutions if you request. > I just want a small webpage, with menus on the > side and 1, or 2 at most, entries. I doubt that you will be happy using Seaside doing this, there are maybe better possibilities if you just want to serve static pages with menus. Seaside is a framework to do web-application (with highly dynamic content), not web-sites. Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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>> >> Seasidehosting is a great step. The hosting facility is fine. >> But I don't see a lot of apps yet. Has not enough time elapsed, >> or is building a Seaside app still too hard? Don't know the >> answer. Earlier, on seasidehosting, I counted 63 sites, but >> only 16 running (one of them www itself). Of the 16, only 7 had >> an app linked from the default path. Of those, 3 were Pier apps. > It's only one or 2 weeks long so I find normal there is not yet good showcase. And also, I think most seaside application developped are commercial. Maybe when this will be more mature, it will be good to make a "bookmark" page on seaside.st to link to different good seaside examples... > I have been using Smalltalk for more than 4 years now. And I must > admit I find seaside hard. I have the idea of the html code I want to > be generated. I believe I know enough Smalltalk to express my idea in > Smalltalk. But I always get stuck with little problems, how to do > this, how to do that. I also find some difficulties but I think it's mainly because of a lack of practice but in the same time, I like the way to think htmlless... and it remains simpler as doing a traditional GUI for me... > > The different tutorials on Seaside I found explained very basic > examples (f.e. the counter). I am trying to make a website to replace > my current blog (using a php app). I just want a small webpage, with > menus on the side and 1, or 2 at most, entries. > > I think a tutorial showing how to reverse engineer from the html to > the seaside would be nice. I would bet most of the people interested > to try out seaside already know html, possibly php, or even > $(whatever) Server Pages. > this could be a main tutorial page in seaside.st. The idea would be to do a "template" of what most people want to do. Of course, that won't cover all topics but will give a good start for newcomer. For instance is what's proposed here a good template : (http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/seaside/2006-February/006952.html), something we could start the tutorial with ? Also as I'm careffully reading the mailing list, we see that a lot of questions are coming over and over like: - how to serve static files - how to serve through Apache - how to connect to a database - ... Is a FAQ possible in seaside.st ? Cheers Cédrick ps: I know people involved in seaside won't have time to do that but I think that can be done by some others and I'd like to do somethink like collecting FAQ.... we just need a validation and a place where to put stuffs if possible... -------------------------------- L'ENIT vous invite a sa journee portes ouvertes le 17 mars 2006 de 13h30 a 19h30 Enit , 47 avenue d'Azereix 65000 Tarbes Bus N°1, arret ENI _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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I understand.
I think that seaside is missing a solid library of components and some really simple way to build UI (because the problem is that UI is boring to write at least for me). So having ready to use pluggable report is still needed. Stef On 7 mars 06, at 08:25, Yann Monclair wrote: > Yanni Chiu a écrit : >> >> Seasidehosting is a great step. The hosting facility is fine. >> But I don't see a lot of apps yet. Has not enough time elapsed, >> or is building a Seaside app still too hard? Don't know the >> answer. Earlier, on seasidehosting, I counted 63 sites, but >> only 16 running (one of them www itself). Of the 16, only 7 had >> an app linked from the default path. Of those, 3 were Pier apps. > I have been using Smalltalk for more than 4 years now. And I must > admit I find seaside hard. I have the idea of the html code I want > to be generated. I believe I know enough Smalltalk to express my > idea in Smalltalk. But I always get stuck with little problems, how > to do this, how to do that. > > The different tutorials on Seaside I found explained very basic > examples (f.e. the counter). I am trying to make a website to > replace my current blog (using a php app). I just want a small > webpage, with menus on the side and 1, or 2 at most, entries. > > I think a tutorial showing how to reverse engineer from the html to > the seaside would be nice. I would bet most of the people > interested to try out seaside already know html, possibly php, or > even $(whatever) Server Pages. > > I had given up on seaside, but seasidehosting gave me the will to > pick up seaside again. > > Yann > > -- > Yann Monclair -- Email: [hidden email] > 2, rue Camille Claudel -- Phone: +33 298 979323 > 29900 Concarneau -- Cell : +33 663 948092 > FRANCE -- WWW : http://yann.monclair.info > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Please do a video. We even bought the software so that Avi would do a
video but this will never happen :). So someone should do it :). Stef On 6 mars 06, at 23:46, Yanni Chiu wrote: > We could benefit from the equivalent to Ruby on Rails video, > if it's possible. It would demostrate the simple stuff is easy. _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 3/8/06, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Please do a video. We even bought the software so that Avi would do a > video but this will never happen :). > So someone should do it :). > > Stef > > On 6 mars 06, at 23:46, Yanni Chiu wrote: > > > We could benefit from the equivalent to Ruby on Rails video, > > if it's possible. It would demostrate the simple stuff is easy. I was going to release a Smalltalk On Sails (SoS) video on April 1st, as an April Fool's joke. However the code and tools seem to be pretty useful and may merit being released with a different name of course. If I keep moving forward on this, I may scrap the joke and release something real. I basically subclassed Cee's Refractoring Browser and use it to generate all the CRUD stuff that the Rails scripts do. It uses the OmniBaseSupport package for persistence. Here are some links to a 5 minute video to give you an idea: http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos.mov (12.3MB) http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264.mov (5.9MB requires QT7) http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264-800x600 (4.5 MB requires QT7) _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Wilkes Joiner wrote: > > I was going to release a Smalltalk On Sails (SoS) video on April 1st, > as an April Fool's joke. However the code and tools seem to be pretty > useful and may merit being released with a different name of course. > If I keep moving forward on this, I may scrap the joke and release > something real. > > I basically subclassed Cee's Refractoring Browser and use it to > generate all the CRUD stuff that the Rails scripts do. It uses the > OmniBaseSupport package for persistence. > > Here are some links to a 5 minute video to give you an idea: > > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos.mov (12.3MB) > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264.mov (5.9MB requires QT7) > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264-800x600 (4.5 MB requires QT7) Awesome. I like how it goes "off the rails" into halos at the end. How about popping up the debugger from the "need to describe your fields" walkback and editing #fieldDescriptions from there? Avi _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Seriously cool stuff there. Great use of the Browser.
Brian On Mar 8, 2006, at 10:53 AM, Wilkes Joiner wrote: > On 3/8/06, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Please do a video. We even bought the software so that Avi would do a >> video but this will never happen :). >> So someone should do it :). >> >> Stef >> >> On 6 mars 06, at 23:46, Yanni Chiu wrote: >> >>> We could benefit from the equivalent to Ruby on Rails video, >>> if it's possible. It would demostrate the simple stuff is easy. > > I was going to release a Smalltalk On Sails (SoS) video on April 1st, > as an April Fool's joke. However the code and tools seem to be pretty > useful and may merit being released with a different name of course. > If I keep moving forward on this, I may scrap the joke and release > something real. > > I basically subclassed Cee's Refractoring Browser and use it to > generate all the CRUD stuff that the Rails scripts do. It uses the > OmniBaseSupport package for persistence. > > Here are some links to a 5 minute video to give you an idea: > > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos.mov (12.3MB) > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264.mov (5.9MB requires QT7) > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264-800x600 (4.5 MB requires QT7) > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 8-Mar-06, at 10:21 AM, Avi Bryant wrote: > > On Mar 8, 2006, at 9:53 AM, Wilkes Joiner wrote: >> >> I was going to release a Smalltalk On Sails (SoS) video on April 1st, >> as an April Fool's joke. However the code and tools seem to be >> pretty >> useful and may merit being released with a different name of course. >> If I keep moving forward on this, I may scrap the joke and release >> something real. Damn amazing. Add a soundtrack to describe what you're doing, fix a few rather glaring spelling mistakes (Appliction in a menu, 'Are your sure' in the destroy confirmation, etc) and Robert is your father's brother. Love it. While we're on the subject of movies, anyone with the capability and some time to spare might like to make some movies of basic tutorials. Start from use of the mouse, menus, halos and work up from there. People these days seem to like moving stuff much more than all that effort of reading. tim -- tim Rowledge; [hidden email]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim "Bother!" said Pooh, as he pulled Piglet out the mincer. _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 3/8/06, Avi Bryant <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Awesome. I like how it goes "off the rails" into halos at the end. > How about popping up the debugger from the "need to describe your > fields" walkback and editing #fieldDescriptions from there? Definitely need to use the debugger there. Thanks, Wilkes _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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On 3/8/06, tim Rowledge <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Damn amazing. Add a soundtrack to describe what you're doing, fix a > few rather glaring spelling mistakes (Appliction in a menu, 'Are your > sure' in the destroy confirmation, etc) and Robert is your father's > brother. Love it. For the joke, I was going to use the soundtrack from the RoR movie, but it would kill the opportunity to show off the really cool Squeak stuff, like the debugger and halos. I blame the spelling mistakes on Java. After a full day of Java, my brain is mush from excessively beating my head against wall. > While we're on the subject of movies, anyone with the capability and > some time to spare might like to make some movies of basic tutorials. > Start from use of the mouse, menus, halos and work up from there. > People these days seem to like moving stuff much more than all that > effort of reading. I did something like that a while back (almost a year). It could use an update with some audio. It is much easier to communicate this stuff with a movie rather than prose. The goal was to get a developer from zero to writing a class in as short amount of time as possible. It could be extended to cover more aspects of the environment. http://wilkesjoiner.com/UsingSqueak.html Thanks, Wilkes _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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Wilkes Joiner wrote:
> I was going to release a Smalltalk On Sails (SoS) video on April 1st, > as an April Fool's joke. However the code and tools seem to be pretty > useful and may merit being released with a different name of course. > If I keep moving forward on this, I may scrap the joke and release > something real. > > I basically subclassed Cee's Refractoring Browser and use it to > generate all the CRUD stuff that the Rails scripts do. It uses the > OmniBaseSupport package for persistence. ROTFL. I don't know whether such a spoof video is a good or bad thing, but if we had a real "marketing" video and code, then I think it wouldn't matter. Definitely release something, the sooner the better. I'm trying to distill some frameworks I have into something releasable too. If everyone works on one approach, we'll all get there sooner. We need a catalyst like "SoS" for us to reach critical mass. (I came across the catalyst effect that RoR has for Ruby, while following some blog links). _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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that is pretty sweet. And from someone who is trying to figure out Squeak and Seaside and wrap my head around this amazing framework - that video really helped :) Honestly.
Bring more :)
On 3/8/06, Yanni Chiu <[hidden email]> wrote: Wilkes Joiner wrote: _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
Re: Re: [ANN] Seaside Tutorial
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Wilkes,
That really is great! Thank you for doing it in the first place. I would love to get my hands on it for future apps. I have already written 4 commercial apps in Seaside and I can tell you something like this might have saved me a lot of time. Like Stephane said, I hate building UserInterfaces! You also might consider plugging Magritte into the framework. So, are you going to "release" this on April 1 or no? If so, how do you plan on releasing it? I will gladly add a link to the News section of the squeak website if you want. On 3/8/06, Wilkes Joiner <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 3/8/06, stephane ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Please do a video. We even bought the software so that Avi would do a > > video but this will never happen :). > > So someone should do it :). > > > > Stef > > > > On 6 mars 06, at 23:46, Yanni Chiu wrote: > > > > > We could benefit from the equivalent to Ruby on Rails video, > > > if it's possible. It would demostrate the simple stuff is easy. > > I was going to release a Smalltalk On Sails (SoS) video on April 1st, > as an April Fool's joke. However the code and tools seem to be pretty > useful and may merit being released with a different name of course. > If I keep moving forward on this, I may scrap the joke and release > something real. > > I basically subclassed Cee's Refractoring Browser and use it to > generate all the CRUD stuff that the Rails scripts do. It uses the > OmniBaseSupport package for persistence. > > Here are some links to a 5 minute video to give you an idea: > > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos.mov (12.3MB) > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264.mov (5.9MB requires QT7) > http://wilkesjoiner.com/sos-h264-800x600 (4.5 MB requires QT7) > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > -- Jason Rogers "Where there is no vision, the people perish..." Proverbs 29:18 _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside |
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