Re: CNR Warehouse > Home & Education > Teaching Tools > Squeak

Klaus D. Witzel wrote:
> List,
> have a look at
> - http://www.google.com/search?q=squeak+smalltalk+linspire
> Free to CNR Warehouse Members (CNR Service $19.95/yr. CNR Gold Service
> $49.95/yr.)
> Who says that people cannot make money by *selling* Squeak?
>

In addition to promoting it as a educational tool, another way of
promoting squeak would be to offer it under the guise of a website
creation tool. Provide a squeak image at Linspire that includes seaside
and a default basic website: thus promoting squeak through the usage of
seaside. Perhaps the image consists of tutorials on seaside basics and
has an already-made website (or wiki) that can be easily changed for
beginners. Might be popular with teachers as a starting point for
teaching OOP at the high school and beginning college level.

If there were one or two dedicated and outlandish personalities that had
the talent of promoting seaside to an audience (think Steve Jobs for
apple or McNealy for Java), I can see conferences popping up promoting
the ins and outs of website development using seaside. The conference(s)
could focus on creating services for the Internet, not necessarily focus
on smalltalk programming. Of course, the sessions would be about
smalltalk, but the end goal would be how to create Internet services --
Internet service developers really want an edge on their competition,
seaside provides a new fresh approach.

Seaside has had nothing but praise from what I've seen. Why not use this
energy for it's own promotion? What would come along for the ride is the
acceptance of smalltalk as a viable development and production tool.

brad
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Hi Brad,

on Sun, 21 May 2006 19:59:29 +0200, Brad Fuller <[hidden email]> wrote:
...
> Internet service developers really want an edge on their competition,
> seaside provides a new fresh approach.
>
> Seaside has had nothing but praise from what I've seen. Why not use this
> energy for it's own promotion? What would come along for the ride is the
> acceptance of smalltalk as a viable development and production tool.

Yes, good idea. But such an undertaking needs some 3-10M$ (or EUR) for  
nothing but marketing (read: not one new line of code needs to be written,  
except for producing marketing material=multimedia authoring). This is  
what new economy dictates. Not that I think that it is impossible, you  
know. Does anybody in this list happen to know U.S. investors or perhaps  
business angles?

/Klaus

> brad


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Klaus D. Witzel wrote: I don't know the numbers, but I agree sponsorship is critical.  I don't
see how anyone would see that strictly sponsoring seaside outright could
make them any $$$. But, I do see how vendors that looking for a vehicle
to promote their tools, libs, services, applications. etc using seaside
would see value from a conference. If the vendors contributed $$$ to the
conference, and a nominal fee for attendees was required, maybe it could
work. It wouldn't start out big (it wouldn't be JavaOne out of the
gate), but it could grow appropriately over time. Maybe the first few
conferences are small and the location is donated by a university to
save cost. Heck, I started going to the game developers conference back
in the early 80s and there were just a few 20 or 30 that showed up at
the Red Baron hotel in San Jose. Now look at it (if you don't know, it's
big.) Granted, different business... but you get my drift: start small
with grassroots dedicated evangelists and test the waters.

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I agree, beside of that, working to clarify teachers will has a
multiplicative factor (wholesale of the idea). Teachers are opinion
creators. I think that is the way.

        regards,

Sebastian

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