Re: Cuis Digest, Vol 41, Issue 14

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> What is the current state of development of Simple Morph?
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> Is there any documentation on how to use it, or is it allInTheCode ?
>
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> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:57 +0000
> Euan Mee <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> What is the current state of development of Simple Morph?
>
> I am not sure what you mean by Simple Morph.
>
> Cuis has been taking steps toward Morphic3:
>
> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/NotesOnMorphic.md
>
> The MorphExtension class was removed.  (We have Morph Properties).
>
> Morphs have float rather than integer location coordinates.
>
> Morph location is relative to their owner, not the screen.
>
> These are relatively small changes to get used to.
>
> More radical are some of the other simplifications in the system.
>
> The best example here is probably Layout.
>
> LayoutMorphs do just that for their submorphs.  A LayoutSpec is attached to individual Morphs to tell their container how they want to be layed out.  See the class comments.
>
> The code in LayoutMorph is much smaller (see LayoutMorph>>layoutSubmorphsHorizontallyIn:) than corresponding layout code in Squeak or Pharo.
>
> See LayoutMorph class examples.
>
> If you git clone the Morphic-Misc1 package and load it you can get Layout editors:
>
> Open a shell and cd to the directory containing Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev
>
>   git clone https://github.com/KenDickey/Cuis-Smalltalk-Morphic-Misc1.git
>
> Go to Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev, open an image and use a Workspace to require the package:
>
>   Feature require:  'Morphic-Misc1'.
>
> Then use the LayoutMorph class examples, select (sub) morphs, open a LayoutMorph Editor (or a LayoutSpec Editor) and play with the settings.
>
> Note that these editors are "one-shot" and will close after setting or cancelling, so click on the "push pin" in the upper right corner to keep them open.
>
> If you have several editors open, you can use the "Show Halo" button to see which Morph an editor is adjusting.
>
>> Is there any documentation on how to use it, or is it allInTheCode ?
>
> See the above URL and continue to ask questions.  We need to make the documentation better over time and questions are very helpful here.
>
> --
> -KenD
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> Generally, whenever I'm looking at a new platform, system, or package,
> I am initially looking for answers of the type
>     "Can I use it now?
>          No /
>          Yes /
>          Yes to an extent, but..."
>
> I'm very happy to write up aspects of the system/package as
> fully-formed documentation, especially documentation for naive-users.
> Please let me know if there specific places where this help is
> already-known to be particularly needed.

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>> What is the current state of development of Simple Morph?
>>
>> Is there any documentation on how to use it, or is it allInTheCode ?
>>
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:13:58 -0800
>> From: KenD<[hidden email]>
>> To: Discussion of Cuis Smalltalk<[hidden email]>
>> Cc: Euan Mee<[hidden email]>
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>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:57 +0000
>> Euan Mee<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> What is the current state of development of Simple Morph?
>> I am not sure what you mean by Simple Morph.
>>
>> Cuis has been taking steps toward Morphic3:
>>
>> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/NotesOnMorphic.md
>>
>> The MorphExtension class was removed.  (We have Morph Properties).
>>
>> Morphs have float rather than integer location coordinates.
>>
>> Morph location is relative to their owner, not the screen.
>>
>> These are relatively small changes to get used to.
>>
>> More radical are some of the other simplifications in the system.
>>
>> The best example here is probably Layout.
>>
>> LayoutMorphs do just that for their submorphs.  A LayoutSpec is attached to individual Morphs to tell their container how they want to be layed out.  See the class comments.
>>
>> The code in LayoutMorph is much smaller (see LayoutMorph>>layoutSubmorphsHorizontallyIn:) than corresponding layout code in Squeak or Pharo.
>>
>> See LayoutMorph class examples.
>>
>> If you git clone the Morphic-Misc1 package and load it you can get Layout editors:
>>
>> Open a shell and cd to the directory containing Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev
>>
>>    git clone https://github.com/KenDickey/Cuis-Smalltalk-Morphic-Misc1.git
>>
>> Go to Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev, open an image and use a Workspace to require the package:
>>
>>    Feature require:  'Morphic-Misc1'.
>>
>> Then use the LayoutMorph class examples, select (sub) morphs, open a LayoutMorph Editor (or a LayoutSpec Editor) and play with the settings.
>>
>> Note that these editors are "one-shot" and will close after setting or cancelling, so click on the "push pin" in the upper right corner to keep them open.
>>
>> If you have several editors open, you can use the "Show Halo" button to see which Morph an editor is adjusting.
>>
>>> Is there any documentation on how to use it, or is it allInTheCode ?
>> See the above URL and continue to ask questions.  We need to make the documentation better over time and questions are very helpful here.
>>
>> --
>> -KenD
>>
>>
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> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 19:02:54 +0000
> Euan Mee<[hidden email]>  wrote:
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>> What is the state of development of Morphic3?
> Juan is working on an optimized MorphicCanvas to replace BitBltCanvas.
>
> There is some old, unoptimized sample code in Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/Experimental which is not for the faint of heart.
>
> Cuis currently uses BitBltCanvas, so the graphics do not yet scale.
>
> Most of the other code works fine.  The location changes to Morph were a big step.
>
> Juan has been slimming down the Cuis image so that it should be possible to rapidly grow when scalable.  Slim down .. grow .. scale  ;^)
>
> Note the small number of classes in the base image:
> "2236 eToys 5.0"
> "2511 Squeak 4.4"
> "2175 Squeak 4.5"
> "2244 Squeak 5.0"
> "3226 Pharo 2.0"
> "4020 Pharo 3.0"
> "4924 Pharo 4.0"
>    vvv
> " 504 Cuis 4.2 (rev 2568)"
>    ^^^
>
> Juan, anything to add/correct here?

> Hi Euan,
>
> On 11/11/2015 4:02 PM, Euan Mee wrote:
>> Thanks for the pointer to Morphic3 and its documentation.  I'll try to
>> contribute more naive-user questions :-)
>>
>> What is the state of development of Morphic3?
>>    - complete stable codebase?
>>    - stable codebase for substantial parts, with fuurther extensions in
>> development?
>>    - central aspects still under development?
>>    - a design concept, coding yet to begin?
>
> I think "central aspects still under development" is a fair way to say it.
> If you want to take a look, it is in the 'Experimental' folder. Feel
> free to ask questions.
>
>> e.g. The documentation starts off with "Morphic3 *will have* scalable
>> graphics".  This might mean that Morphic3 works now, but does not yet
>> have scalable graphics.  Or it might just mean Morphic3 does not (yet)
>> work.
>>
>
> Well, we have been evolving Morphic in Cuis, towards the direction shown
> by some experiments I did in 2009, for quite some time. This is
> currently using BitBltCanvas to draw, that can not do proper scalable
> graphics. The Morphic3Canvas in 'Experimental' can do this.
>
>> Generally, whenever I'm looking at a new platform, system, or package,
>> I am initially looking for answers of the type
>>     "Can I use it now?
>>          No /
>>          Yes /
>>          Yes to an extent, but..."
>>
>> I'm very happy to write up aspects of the system/package as
>> fully-formed documentation, especially documentation for naive-users.
>> Please let me know if there specific places where this help is
>> already-known to be particularly needed.
>
> Morphic 3 is ready to be studied by really interested ones. Not at all
> ready for a naive- user. On the question of where this help is needed,
> I'm not the best to answer. Maybe others in the community answer this,
> or, just use the system for some project, and you'll quickly find the
> places where a new user (you!) could use better documentation.
>
>> I look forward (in the long run?) to trying Cuis and Morphic3 on
>> Raspberry Pi.
>>
>
> Well, Morphic 3 might be more expensive than BitBltCanvas, and I don't
> know if it will run reasonably well on a Pi....
>
> Cheers,
> Juan Vuletich
>
>> On 11 November 2015 at 18:00,<[hidden email]>  wrote:
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:57 +0000
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>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Subject: [Cuis] Simple Morphic
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>>> What is the current state of development of Simple Morph?
>>>
>>> Is there any documentation on how to use it, or is it allInTheCode ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 08:13:58 -0800
>>> From: KenD<[hidden email]>
>>> To: Discussion of Cuis Smalltalk<[hidden email]>
>>> Cc: Euan Mee<[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Cuis] Simple Morphic
>>> Message-ID:<[hidden email]>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>>
>>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:13:57 +0000
>>> Euan Mee<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> What is the current state of development of Simple Morph?
>>> I am not sure what you mean by Simple Morph.
>>>
>>> Cuis has been taking steps toward Morphic3:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/Cuis-Smalltalk/Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev/blob/master/Documentation/NotesOnMorphic.md
>>>
>>>
>>> The MorphExtension class was removed.  (We have Morph Properties).
>>>
>>> Morphs have float rather than integer location coordinates.
>>>
>>> Morph location is relative to their owner, not the screen.
>>>
>>> These are relatively small changes to get used to.
>>>
>>> More radical are some of the other simplifications in the system.
>>>
>>> The best example here is probably Layout.
>>>
>>> LayoutMorphs do just that for their submorphs.  A LayoutSpec is
>>> attached to individual Morphs to tell their container how they want
>>> to be layed out.  See the class comments.
>>>
>>> The code in LayoutMorph is much smaller (see
>>> LayoutMorph>>layoutSubmorphsHorizontallyIn:) than corresponding
>>> layout code in Squeak or Pharo.
>>>
>>> See LayoutMorph class examples.
>>>
>>> If you git clone the Morphic-Misc1 package and load it you can get
>>> Layout editors:
>>>
>>> Open a shell and cd to the directory containing Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev
>>>
>>>    git clone
>>> https://github.com/KenDickey/Cuis-Smalltalk-Morphic-Misc1.git
>>>
>>> Go to Cuis-Smalltalk-Dev, open an image and use a Workspace to
>>> require the package:
>>>
>>>    Feature require:  'Morphic-Misc1'.
>>>
>>> Then use the LayoutMorph class examples, select (sub) morphs, open a
>>> LayoutMorph Editor (or a LayoutSpec Editor) and play with the settings.
>>>
>>> Note that these editors are "one-shot" and will close after setting
>>> or cancelling, so click on the "push pin" in the upper right corner
>>> to keep them open.
>>>
>>> If you have several editors open, you can use the "Show Halo" button
>>> to see which Morph an editor is adjusting.
>>>
>>>> Is there any documentation on how to use it, or is it allInTheCode ?
>>> See the above URL and continue to ask questions.  We need to make the
>>> documentation better over time and questions are very helpful here.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -KenD
>>>
>>>
>>>
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