Re: Font for Pharo

> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 19:54, Jérôme <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>        * It is a Unicode font, with an already remarkable range of Unicode
>> characters that will be extened over time by the SIL people, while
>> Vera is limited mainly to the characters in the Basic Latin and
>> Latin-1 Supplement portions of Unicode
>
> That's why you should all forget about vera and look at dejavu
> instead, since it's the open-source, unicode-complete version of vera.
>
>>        * The visual identity of Vera is worn out by its use in other
>> projects like GNOME – as Times New Roman's has been worn out to the
>> overuse in Word
>
> Granted, but there are few opensource fonts that have this much
> coverage in this many styles (bold, italic, monospaced…). Andika only
> has the roman style ATM, though in your screenshots it looks like
> pharo can fake other styles quite nicely.
> Also, I'm not convinced we need a mono font for code, the only real
> constraint is that the non-alphanumeric characters are clearly
> legible.
>
>>        * Pharo is new and its visual identity undefined, it therefor can
>> profit from use of a font with a more fresh design
>
> Sure, but I'd make sure the UI is fast and usable too. Now maybe it's
> best to go for the looks first and the usability second, that's what
> apple did with OS X after all.
>
>>
>> Jérôme
>>
>> Am 24.02.2009 um 18:56 schrieb Adrian Lienhard:
>>
>>> I looked at Andika with Marcus yesterday, and we both had the
>>> impression that Bitstream Vera fits better. Is there any advantage to
>>> the Andika font? Andika does not seem to provide a monotype too.
>>>
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 24, 2009, at 18:25 , Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>>
>>>> 2009/2/24 Jerome <[hidden email]>:
>>>>> It seems Andika has a higher line-spacing because it takes
>>>>> characters
>>>>> with multiple stacked unicode diacritics[2] into account which would
>>>>> be clipped otherwise[1]. If this is deemed not aceptable, there
>>>>> exists
>>>>> the SIL Type Tuner, which can change the line-height easily. [3]
>>>>> Unfortunatly I have no windows system.
>>>>>
>>>> here the .xml config produced by running:
>>>> TypeTuner.exe -x and.xml AndBasR.ttf
>>>>
>>>> So, there is
>>>> <feature name="Line spacing" value="Normal">
>>>> and possible values
>>>>              <value name="Normal"/>
>>>>              <value name="Tight"/>
>>>>              <value name="Loose"/>
>>>>              <value name="Imported"/>
>>>>
>>>> i can try to rebuild font using 'Tight' line spacing.
>>>> But i don't want to install this font on my windoze box. Is
>>>> squeak/freetype allows to load a truetype font from directory where
>>>> vm
>>>> located?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika_FAQ-KI#5755a55d
>>>>> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diacritic
>>>>> [3] http://scripts.sil.org/TypeTuner
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 24.02.2009 um 16:55 schrieb Igor Stasenko:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/2/24 Gary Chambers <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>> That's just down to the fact that textstyles are applied on
>>>>>>> opening
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> browsers/morphs.
>>>>>>> Reopening the browsers should sort it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The slight other concern I have with this font is the apparently
>>>>>>> excessive
>>>>>>> line spacing, not as compact as, say, Arial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone knows, how/where line height is calculated?
>>>>>> Maybe this code does not takes font DPI in account, or assuming a
>>>>>> fixed dpi which is mismatching with screen dpi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards, Gary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Hilaire Fernandes" <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> To: <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 7:20 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Font for Pharo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can it be related to a problem I saw recently with text string
>>>>>>> inappropriately clipped toward the end (string length calculus
>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> too short of 1 or 2 pixels)?
>>>>>>> I can see it in last release when using deja vue font for example.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It does not show up in #194 however.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hilaire
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 20:18 +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 2009/2/23 Norbert Hartl <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>>>>> On linux it doesn't look very good. There is something weird
>>>>>>>>>> with the font height and position. Well, it looks a lot better
>>>>>>>>>> in pharo than in gnome :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> seems like you changed font after opening a browser window. And
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> using old font height to calculate line heights.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I would have changed the font after opening the window I
>>>>>>>> couldn't
>>>>>>>> see the new font. The fonts are only applied on opening a window.
>>>>>>>> You can see it in the workspace and the menu two. There is enough
>>>>>>>> space through the big line height. In the class browser it is
>>>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>>>> cut off.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norbert
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> screenshot is attached.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Norbert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2009-02-23 at 13:33 +0100, Jérôme wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I found the Font "Andika Basic"[2] which is an Open Source and
>>>>>>>>>>> Free-
>>>>>>>>>>> Software[1] Unicode-ready font made by the same people who
>>>>>>>>>>> brought us
>>>>>>>>>>> Gentium, the typeface for the nations. I suggest using Andika
>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>> Pharo CI Font since it can be distributed along with Pharo and
>>>>>>>>>>> looks a
>>>>>>>>>>> little bit like Lucida Grande, the Mac-UI-font, but at the
>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> is more friendly and better readable[3]. According to the
>>>>>>>>>>> Andika
>>>>>>>>>>> Website, Andika is Swahili, which is spoken widely in
>>>>>>>>>>> southeastern
>>>>>>>>>>> regions of the African continent, and means "Write!".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have a look:
>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>> http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&item_id=Andika
>>>>>>>>>>> [3] http://minusfreun.de/blog/uploads/Pharo.png
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jérôme
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=OFL
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