Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there

> This should do it:
>
>  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
>
> Bill
>
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: [hidden email]
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
>
>>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I
> had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki page,
> downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the new image.  I
> appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter, capturing a change
> that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less the visual
> changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot before I had
> time to break it :)
>
> I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the proper way to
> make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put it on my web
> page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access our
> servers, so I can't do that right now.
>
> When it becomes available, you will notice the background color of the
> browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the debugger's
> inspector panes to be so colored also, though they currently show it
> only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the image is not
> correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
> color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color only
> to a point, after which the default white takes over.
>
> Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that similar changes
> that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
>
> Bill

> This should do it:
>
>  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
>
> Bill
>
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: [hidden email]
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
>
> >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I
> had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki

> downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the new image.  I
> appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter, capturing a change
> that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less the visual
> changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot before I had
> time to break it :)
>
> I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the proper way to
> make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put it on my web
> page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access

> to a point, after which the default white takes over.
>
> Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that similar changes
> that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> UI mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>

> This should do it:
>
>  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
>
> Bill
>
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: [hidden email]
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
>
>>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I
> had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki

> downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the new image.  I
> appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter, capturing a change
> that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less the visual
> changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot before I had
> time to break it :)
>
> I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the proper way to
> make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put it on my web
> page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Bill Schwab
> Sent: 30 September 2007 4:48 pm
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> I really didn't do much, so the credit belongs to OA (for
> doing it in Dolphin), Gary for the overall appearance, and
> Andy Tween's stunning work on Shout.  Maybe Andy can give us
> some advice on where to change background colors.  I could
> live with its being limited to Shout workspaces - especially
> if the alternative is not having anywhere ;)  
> My only concern re Shout is that I typically do not use the
> workspace extension, because I often use workspaces (the
> system window variety) for notes more than code.
>
> The ideal solution changes the background of workspaces in
> inspectors, the debugger, browsers, and workspace system
> windows.  Basically, anywhere do-it and friends are
> available, the background color is appropriate.  If there is
> a good place to hack to get that effect, I can certainly do
> it, but it seems that Squeak should be able to do this w/o
> the need to edit code that is maintained by others.
>
> It case you want to reproduce it, the color is
>
>    Color r:1.0 g:1.0 b:230.0/255
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: [hidden email]
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
> >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 11:04 PM >>>
> That looks great !
>
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:21:55 +0200, Bill Schwab wrote:
>
> > This should do it:
> >
> >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > University of Florida
> > Department of Anesthesiology
> > PO Box 100254
> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >
> > Email: [hidden email]
> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >
> >
> >>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I
> > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
> page,
> > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> new image.  I
> > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> capturing a change
> > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> the visual
> > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> before I had
> > time to break it :)
> >
> > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> proper way to
> > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> it on my web
> > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access
> our
> > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> >
> > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> color of the
> > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> debugger's
> > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> currently show it
> > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> image is not
> > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
> > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
> only
> > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> >
> > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> similar changes
> > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> >
> > Bill
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Bill Schwab
> Sent: 29 September 2007 3:23 pm
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> I knew I missed a question in my global reply - the corner handles.
> They do not particularly bother me (I almost like them
> actually), but if they go away, I won't scream about it.  Now
> that you mention it, you're right, they are ugly ;)
>
> Gary, something I just noticed is that the soft squeak theme
> leaves the [x] button on the left of the title bar.  I
> _think_ I would move it to he right.  That said, I gladly
> defer to you judgement.  BTW, I continue to be impressed with
> your work.  For reasons unknown, I switched back to the
> Vistary theme and noted that you obviously can move the close
> button; at first, I assumed you simply didn't mess with the
> locations.
> I would use the Vistary theme, but I find the buttons
> difficult to read due to the lens effect, or more to the
> point, its location.  Of course, that is largely a result of
> what you set out to emulate.  I can envision writing a hybrid
> theme that has lens effects near rectangle bounds, but that can wait.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: [hidden email]
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
> >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 10:10 PM >>>
> Looks real good Bill!  I especially like highlighting the
> items in Lists the same as text highlighted in a text pane; a
> big improvement over the red-on-gray list selections of past.
>
> Do you have a mind to ditch the corner handles?  Aren't they
> ugly? Not to mention redundant with the changing of the
> mouse-pointer.  I've also noticed (in 3.9 images) they creep
> out of their bounds under certain circumstances like too
> small a window-title font, or maybe square window corners too..
>
>
> On 9/27/07, Bill Schwab <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > This should do it:
> >
> >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > University of Florida
> > Department of Anesthesiology
> > PO Box 100254
> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >
> > Email: [hidden email]
> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >
> >
> > >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I
> > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
> page,
> > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> new image.  I
> > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> capturing a change
> > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> the visual
> > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> before I had
> > time to break it :)
> >
> > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> proper way to
> > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> it on my web
> > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access
> our
> > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> >
> > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> color of the
> > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> debugger's
> > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> currently show it
> > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> image is not
> > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
> > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
> only
> > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> >
> > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> similar changes
> > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > UI mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> I could make the title button order available as a preference... For now
> you'd need to subclass the UIThemeSoftSqueak and override
> #configureWindowLabelAreaFor: with the version for Vistary.
> Your new theme subclass will appear in the preferences (you should also
> override #themeName on the class side).
>
> As for the legibility of button text with Vistary, I find it alright when
> using a FreeType font...
>
> As for corner handles, they were a bugger to fix to work properly! I'd
> prefer the old border/side behaviour with no handles as such. I could  
> make
> this an option if there's sufficient interest.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Bill Schwab
>> Sent: 29 September 2007 3:23 pm
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>>
>>
>> I knew I missed a question in my global reply - the corner handles.
>> They do not particularly bother me (I almost like them
>> actually), but if they go away, I won't scream about it.  Now
>> that you mention it, you're right, they are ugly ;)
>>
>> Gary, something I just noticed is that the soft squeak theme
>> leaves the [x] button on the left of the title bar.  I
>> _think_ I would move it to he right.  That said, I gladly
>> defer to you judgement.  BTW, I continue to be impressed with
>> your work.  For reasons unknown, I switched back to the
>> Vistary theme and noted that you obviously can move the close
>> button; at first, I assumed you simply didn't mess with the
>> locations.
>> I would use the Vistary theme, but I find the buttons
>> difficult to read due to the lens effect, or more to the
>> point, its location.  Of course, that is largely a result of
>> what you set out to emulate.  I can envision writing a hybrid
>> theme that has lens effects near rectangle bounds, but that can wait.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
>> University of Florida
>> Department of Anesthesiology
>> PO Box 100254
>> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>>
>> Email: [hidden email]
>> Tel: (352) 846-1285
>> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>>
>> >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 10:10 PM >>>
>> Looks real good Bill!  I especially like highlighting the
>> items in Lists the same as text highlighted in a text pane; a
>> big improvement over the red-on-gray list selections of past.
>>
>> Do you have a mind to ditch the corner handles?  Aren't they
>> ugly? Not to mention redundant with the changing of the
>> mouse-pointer.  I've also noticed (in 3.9 images) they creep
>> out of their bounds under certain circumstances like too
>> small a window-title font, or maybe square window corners too..
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/07, Bill Schwab <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> > This should do it:
>> >
>> >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> >
>> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
>> > University of Florida
>> > Department of Anesthesiology
>> > PO Box 100254
>> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>> >
>> > Email: [hidden email]
>> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
>> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
>> >
>> >
>> > >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
>> > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I
>> > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
>> page,
>> > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
>> > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
>> new image.  I
>> > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
>> capturing a change
>> > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
>> the visual
>> > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
>> before I had
>> > time to break it :)
>> >
>> > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
>> proper way to
>> > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
>> it on my web
>> > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access
>> our
>> > servers, so I can't do that right now.
>> >
>> > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
>> color of the
>> > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
>> debugger's
>> > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
>> currently show it
>> > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
>> image is not
>> > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
>> > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
>> only
>> > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
>> >
>> > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
>> similar changes
>> > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > UI mailing list
>> > [hidden email]
>> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> UI mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Gary Chambers
> Sent: 01 October 2007 11:27 am
> To: 'Squeak's User Interface'
> Subject: RE: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> I could make the title button order available as a
> preference... For now you'd need to subclass the
> UIThemeSoftSqueak and override
> #configureWindowLabelAreaFor: with the version for Vistary.
> Your new theme subclass will appear in the preferences (you
> should also override #themeName on the class side).
>
> As for the legibility of button text with Vistary, I find it
> alright when using a FreeType font...
>
> As for corner handles, they were a bugger to fix to work
> properly! I'd prefer the old border/side behaviour with no
> handles as such. I could make this an option if there's
> sufficient interest.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Bill Schwab
> > Sent: 29 September 2007 3:23 pm
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> >
> >
> > I knew I missed a question in my global reply - the corner handles.
> > They do not particularly bother me (I almost like them
> > actually), but if they go away, I won't scream about it.  Now
> > that you mention it, you're right, they are ugly ;)
> >
> > Gary, something I just noticed is that the soft squeak theme
> > leaves the [x] button on the left of the title bar.  I
> > _think_ I would move it to he right.  That said, I gladly
> > defer to you judgement.  BTW, I continue to be impressed with
> > your work.  For reasons unknown, I switched back to the
> > Vistary theme and noted that you obviously can move the close
> > button; at first, I assumed you simply didn't mess with the
> > locations.
> > I would use the Vistary theme, but I find the buttons
> > difficult to read due to the lens effect, or more to the
> > point, its location.  Of course, that is largely a result of
> > what you set out to emulate.  I can envision writing a hybrid
> > theme that has lens effects near rectangle bounds, but that
> can wait.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > University of Florida
> > Department of Anesthesiology
> > PO Box 100254
> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >
> > Email: [hidden email]
> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >
> > >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 10:10 PM >>>
> > Looks real good Bill!  I especially like highlighting the
> > items in Lists the same as text highlighted in a text pane; a
> > big improvement over the red-on-gray list selections of past.
> >
> > Do you have a mind to ditch the corner handles?  Aren't they
> > ugly? Not to mention redundant with the changing of the
> > mouse-pointer.  I've also noticed (in 3.9 images) they creep
> > out of their bounds under certain circumstances like too
> > small a window-title font, or maybe square window corners too..
> >
> >
> > On 9/27/07, Bill Schwab <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > This should do it:
> > >
> > >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > > University of Florida
> > > Department of Anesthesiology
> > > PO Box 100254
> > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> > >
> > > Email: [hidden email]
> > > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> > >
> > >
> > > >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> > > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation
> problems I
> > > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
> > page,
> > > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> > > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> > new image.  I
> > > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> > capturing a change
> > > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> > the visual
> > > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> > before I had
> > > time to break it :)
> > >
> > > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> > proper way to
> > > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> > it on my web
> > > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to
> remotely access
> > our
> > > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> > >
> > > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> > color of the
> > > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> > debugger's
> > > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> > currently show it
> > > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> > image is not
> > > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
> > > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
> > only
> > > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> > >
> > > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> > similar changes
> > > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > UI mailing list
> > > [hidden email]
> > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Klaus D. Witzel
> Sent: 01 October 2007 1:07 pm
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> The corner handles are inconvenient also when I do #renderOn:
> a SVG+xhtml  
> canvas. Sometimes they seem to be one off (hard to
> predict/reproduce) and  
> the implementation (rescue the old bits...) is/does, hrm,
> does not give  
> you a good time when *not* rendering on a graphics card.
>
> I have no suggestion for what/how to do better with them,
> just my CHF 0.05.
>
> On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:26:33 +0200, Gary Chambers wrote:
>
> > I could make the title button order available as a
> preference... For
> > now you'd need to subclass the UIThemeSoftSqueak and override
> > #configureWindowLabelAreaFor: with the version for Vistary.
> Your new
> > theme subclass will appear in the preferences (you should also
> > override #themeName on the class side).
> >
> > As for the legibility of button text with Vistary, I find
> it alright
> > when using a FreeType font...
> >
> > As for corner handles, they were a bugger to fix to work
> properly! I'd
> > prefer the old border/side behaviour with no handles as
> such. I could
> > make
> > this an option if there's sufficient interest.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill
> >> Schwab
> >> Sent: 29 September 2007 3:23 pm
> >> To: [hidden email]
> >> Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> >>
> >>
> >> I knew I missed a question in my global reply - the corner
> handles.
> >> They do not particularly bother me (I almost like them
> actually), but
> >> if they go away, I won't scream about it.  Now that you
> mention it,
> >> you're right, they are ugly ;)
> >>
> >> Gary, something I just noticed is that the soft squeak
> theme leaves
> >> the [x] button on the left of the title bar.  I _think_ I
> would move
> >> it to he right.  That said, I gladly defer to you
> judgement.  BTW, I
> >> continue to be impressed with your work.  For reasons unknown, I
> >> switched back to the Vistary theme and noted that you
> obviously can
> >> move the close button; at first, I assumed you simply didn't mess
> >> with the locations.
> >> I would use the Vistary theme, but I find the buttons
> >> difficult to read due to the lens effect, or more to the
> >> point, its location.  Of course, that is largely a result of
> >> what you set out to emulate.  I can envision writing a hybrid
> >> theme that has lens effects near rectangle bounds, but
> that can wait.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> >> University of Florida
> >> Department of Anesthesiology
> >> PO Box 100254
> >> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >>
> >> Email: [hidden email]
> >> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> >> FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >>
> >> >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 10:10 PM >>>
> >> Looks real good Bill!  I especially like highlighting the items in
> >> Lists the same as text highlighted in a text pane; a big
> improvement
> >> over the red-on-gray list selections of past.
> >>
> >> Do you have a mind to ditch the corner handles?  Aren't they ugly?
> >> Not to mention redundant with the changing of the mouse-pointer.  
> >> I've also noticed (in 3.9 images) they creep out of their bounds
> >> under certain circumstances like too small a window-title font, or
> >> maybe square window corners too..
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/27/07, Bill Schwab <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> > This should do it:
> >> >
> >> >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> >> > University of Florida
> >> > Department of Anesthesiology
> >> > PO Box 100254
> >> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >> >
> >> > Email: [hidden email]
> >> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> >> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> >> > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation
> problems I
> >> > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to
> the UI swiki
> >> page,
> >> > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> >> > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> >> new image.  I
> >> > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> >> capturing a change
> >> > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> >> the visual
> >> > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> >> before I had
> >> > time to break it :)
> >> >
> >> > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> >> proper way to
> >> > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> >> it on my web
> >> > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely
> >> > access
> >> our
> >> > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> >> >
> >> > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> >> color of the
> >> > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> >> debugger's
> >> > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> >> currently show it
> >> > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> >> image is not
> >> > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has
> the correct
> >> > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows
> the color
> >> only
> >> > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> >> >
> >> > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> >> similar changes
> >> > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > UI mailing list
> >> > [hidden email]
> >> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> UI mailing list
> >> [hidden email]
> >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> UI mailing list
> >> [hidden email]
> >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> UI mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Gary Chambers
> Sent: 01 October 2007 11:21 am
> To: 'Squeak's User Interface'
> Subject: RE: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> These things are tricky. I support, in Widgets, an overridable
> #initialColorInSystemWindow: method. Sadly the shout editor
> is embedded in an alignment morph so it is hard to driectly
> target the colour to the shout morph without having a blanket
> colour for all alignments say.
>
> Also, the initial colour gets overriden by the theme for lists...
>
> I think the safest option for you, for the moment, is to
> extend the instance side of PluggableShoutMorph with the following:
>
> defaultColor
> "Answer the default colour for shout morphs."
>
> ^Color r: 255 g: 255 b: 230 range: 255
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Bill Schwab
> > Sent: 30 September 2007 4:48 pm
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> >
> >
> > I really didn't do much, so the credit belongs to OA (for
> > doing it in Dolphin), Gary for the overall appearance, and
> > Andy Tween's stunning work on Shout.  Maybe Andy can give us
> > some advice on where to change background colors.  I could
> > live with its being limited to Shout workspaces - especially
> > if the alternative is not having anywhere ;)  
> > My only concern re Shout is that I typically do not use the
> > workspace extension, because I often use workspaces (the
> > system window variety) for notes more than code.
> >
> > The ideal solution changes the background of workspaces in
> > inspectors, the debugger, browsers, and workspace system
> > windows.  Basically, anywhere do-it and friends are
> > available, the background color is appropriate.  If there is
> > a good place to hack to get that effect, I can certainly do
> > it, but it seems that Squeak should be able to do this w/o
> > the need to edit code that is maintained by others.
> >
> > It case you want to reproduce it, the color is
> >
> >    Color r:1.0 g:1.0 b:230.0/255
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > University of Florida
> > Department of Anesthesiology
> > PO Box 100254
> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >
> > Email: [hidden email]
> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >
> > >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 11:04 PM >>>
> > That looks great !
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:21:55 +0200, Bill Schwab wrote:
> >
> > > This should do it:
> > >
> > >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > > University of Florida
> > > Department of Anesthesiology
> > > PO Box 100254
> > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> > >
> > > Email: [hidden email]
> > > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> > > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation
> problems I
> > > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
> > page,
> > > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> > > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> > new image.  I
> > > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> > capturing a change
> > > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> > the visual
> > > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> > before I had
> > > time to break it :)
> > >
> > > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> > proper way to
> > > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> > it on my web
> > > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to
> remotely access
> > our
> > > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> > >
> > > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> > color of the
> > > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> > debugger's
> > > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> > currently show it
> > > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> > image is not
> > > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
> > > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
> > only
> > > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> > >
> > > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> > similar changes
> > > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > UI mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > UI mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> UI mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>

> I referred to #saveBitsUnderCornersOf:on:in:corners: which copies  
> the bits under potential round corner areas, then the client's  
> block is evaluated, then #tweakCornersOf:on:in:borderWidth:corners:  
> puts back some of those bits. Impossible with a one dimensional SVG
> +html stream :( or similiar media, for that matter.
>
> During rendering the to-be-rounded Morph does not know that, so I  
> signal a RoundedCornersNotification and exchange rounding  
> information between the related methods (the borderWidthForRounding  
> I think) which [the methods and their receivers] may be far away  
> from each other on the stack. I need the "to be rounded" info at  
> the SVG+xhtml element level. Example attached, FireFox/Opera and  
> Inkskape recommended, Morph class names are in the element id.  
> Magnify to 200% and inspect the corners.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Gary Chambers
> Sent: 01 October 2007 11:21 am
> To: 'Squeak's User Interface'
> Subject: RE: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> These things are tricky. I support, in Widgets, an overridable
> #initialColorInSystemWindow: method. Sadly the shout editor
> is embedded in an alignment morph so it is hard to driectly
> target the colour to the shout morph without having a blanket
> colour for all alignments say.
>
> Also, the initial colour gets overriden by the theme for lists...
>
> I think the safest option for you, for the moment, is to
> extend the instance side of PluggableShoutMorph with the following:
>
> defaultColor
> "Answer the default colour for shout morphs."
>
> ^Color r: 255 g: 255 b: 230 range: 255
>
> Hope this helps...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > Bill Schwab
> > Sent: 30 September 2007 4:48 pm
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: Re: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> >
> >
> > I really didn't do much, so the credit belongs to OA (for
> > doing it in Dolphin), Gary for the overall appearance, and
> > Andy Tween's stunning work on Shout.  Maybe Andy can give us
> > some advice on where to change background colors.  I could
> > live with its being limited to Shout workspaces - especially
> > if the alternative is not having anywhere ;)  
> > My only concern re Shout is that I typically do not use the
> > workspace extension, because I often use workspaces (the
> > system window variety) for notes more than code.
> >
> > The ideal solution changes the background of workspaces in
> > inspectors, the debugger, browsers, and workspace system
> > windows.  Basically, anywhere do-it and friends are
> > available, the background color is appropriate.  If there is
> > a good place to hack to get that effect, I can certainly do
> > it, but it seems that Squeak should be able to do this w/o
> > the need to edit code that is maintained by others.
> >
> > It case you want to reproduce it, the color is
> >
> >    Color r:1.0 g:1.0 b:230.0/255
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > University of Florida
> > Department of Anesthesiology
> > PO Box 100254
> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >
> > Email: [hidden email]
> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >
> > >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 11:04 PM >>>
> > That looks great !
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:21:55 +0200, Bill Schwab wrote:
> >
> > > This should do it:
> > >
> > >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > > University of Florida
> > > Department of Anesthesiology
> > > PO Box 100254
> > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> > >
> > > Email: [hidden email]
> > > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> > > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation
> problems I
> > > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
> > page,
> > > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> > > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> > new image.  I
> > > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> > capturing a change
> > > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> > the visual
> > > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> > before I had
> > > time to break it :)
> > >
> > > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> > proper way to
> > > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> > it on my web
> > > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to
> remotely access
> > our
> > > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> > >
> > > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> > color of the
> > > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> > debugger's
> > > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> > currently show it
> > > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> > image is not
> > > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
> > > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
> > only
> > > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> > >
> > > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> > similar changes
> > > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > UI mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > UI mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> UI mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Bill Schwab
> Sent: 29 September 2007 3:23 pm
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> I knew I missed a question in my global reply - the corner handles.
> They do not particularly bother me (I almost like them
> actually), but if they go away, I won't scream about it.  Now
> that you mention it, you're right, they are ugly ;)
>
> Gary, something I just noticed is that the soft squeak theme
> leaves the [x] button on the left of the title bar.  I
> _think_ I would move it to he right.  That said, I gladly
> defer to you judgement.  BTW, I continue to be impressed with
> your work.  For reasons unknown, I switched back to the
> Vistary theme and noted that you obviously can move the close
> button; at first, I assumed you simply didn't mess with the
> locations.
> I would use the Vistary theme, but I find the buttons
> difficult to read due to the lens effect, or more to the
> point, its location.  Of course, that is largely a result of
> what you set out to emulate.  I can envision writing a hybrid
> theme that has lens effects near rectangle bounds, but that can wait.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> University of Florida
> Department of Anesthesiology
> PO Box 100254
> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>
> Email: [hidden email]
> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> FAX: (352) 392-7029
>
> >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 10:10 PM >>>
> Looks real good Bill!  I especially like highlighting the
> items in Lists the same as text highlighted in a text pane; a
> big improvement over the red-on-gray list selections of past.
>
> Do you have a mind to ditch the corner handles?  Aren't they
> ugly? Not to mention redundant with the changing of the
> mouse-pointer.  I've also noticed (in 3.9 images) they creep
> out of their bounds under certain circumstances like too
> small a window-title font, or maybe square window corners too..
>
>
> On 9/27/07, Bill Schwab <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > This should do it:
> >
> >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> > University of Florida
> > Department of Anesthesiology
> > PO Box 100254
> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >
> > Email: [hidden email]
> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >
> >
> > >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I
> > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
> page,
> > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> new image.  I
> > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> capturing a change
> > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> the visual
> > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> before I had
> > time to break it :)
> >
> > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> proper way to
> > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> it on my web
> > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access
> our
> > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> >
> > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> color of the
> > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> debugger's
> > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> currently show it
> > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> image is not
> > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
> > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
> only
> > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> >
> > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> similar changes
> > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > UI mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
> >
> _______________________________________________
> UI mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>
> _______________________________________________
> UI mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui
>

> And if you want Shout workspaces to do the same add this also to
> PluggableShoutMorph instance methods:
>
> initialColorInSystemWindow: aSystemWindow
> "Answer the default colour for shout morphs as a top-level
> pane in a system window."
>
> ^self defaultColor
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> Gary Chambers
>> Sent: 01 October 2007 11:21 am
>> To: 'Squeak's User Interface'
>> Subject: RE: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>>
>>
>> These things are tricky. I support, in Widgets, an overridable
>> #initialColorInSystemWindow: method. Sadly the shout editor
>> is embedded in an alignment morph so it is hard to driectly
>> target the colour to the shout morph without having a blanket
>> colour for all alignments say.
>>
>> Also, the initial colour gets overriden by the theme for lists...
>>
>> I think the safest option for you, for the moment, is to
>> extend the instance side of PluggableShoutMorph with the following:
>>
>> defaultColor
>> "Answer the default colour for shout morphs."
>>
>> ^Color r: 255 g: 255 b: 230 range: 255
>>
>> Hope this helps...
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [hidden email]
>> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
>> > Bill Schwab
>> > Sent: 30 September 2007 4:48 pm
>> > To: [hidden email]
>> > Subject: Re: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>> >
>> >
>> > I really didn't do much, so the credit belongs to OA (for
>> > doing it in Dolphin), Gary for the overall appearance, and
>> > Andy Tween's stunning work on Shout.  Maybe Andy can give us
>> > some advice on where to change background colors.  I could
>> > live with its being limited to Shout workspaces - especially
>> > if the alternative is not having anywhere ;)
>> > My only concern re Shout is that I typically do not use the
>> > workspace extension, because I often use workspaces (the
>> > system window variety) for notes more than code.
>> >
>> > The ideal solution changes the background of workspaces in
>> > inspectors, the debugger, browsers, and workspace system
>> > windows.  Basically, anywhere do-it and friends are
>> > available, the background color is appropriate.  If there is
>> > a good place to hack to get that effect, I can certainly do
>> > it, but it seems that Squeak should be able to do this w/o
>> > the need to edit code that is maintained by others.
>> >
>> > It case you want to reproduce it, the color is
>> >
>> >    Color r:1.0 g:1.0 b:230.0/255
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
>> > University of Florida
>> > Department of Anesthesiology
>> > PO Box 100254
>> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>> >
>> > Email: [hidden email]
>> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
>> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
>> >
>> > >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 11:04 PM >>>
>> > That looks great !
>> >
>> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:21:55 +0200, Bill Schwab wrote:
>> >
>> > > This should do it:
>> > >
>> > >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
>> > >
>> > > Bill
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
>> > > University of Florida
>> > > Department of Anesthesiology
>> > > PO Box 100254
>> > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
>> > >
>> > > Email: [hidden email]
>> > > Tel: (352) 846-1285
>> > > FAX: (352) 392-7029
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
>> > > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation
>> problems I
>> > > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki
>> > page,
>> > > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
>> > > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
>> > new image.  I
>> > > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
>> > capturing a change
>> > > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
>> > the visual
>> > > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
>> > before I had
>> > > time to break it :)
>> > >
>> > > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
>> > proper way to
>> > > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
>> > it on my web
>> > > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to
>> remotely access
>> > our
>> > > servers, so I can't do that right now.
>> > >
>> > > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
>> > color of the
>> > > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
>> > debugger's
>> > > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
>> > currently show it
>> > > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
>> > image is not
>> > > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct
>> > > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color
>> > only
>> > > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
>> > >
>> > > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
>> > similar changes
>> > > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
>> > >
>> > > Bill
>> >
>> >
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Tween
> Sent: 02 October 2007 9:03 am
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [UI] Re: Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
>
>
> Apologies for not responding sooner.
> I'll look at incorporating these changes into the Shout
> package when I get
> time.
>
> It seems like an appropriate thing to be able to specify, and
> will allow
> users to modify the Shout defaultStyleTable so that text is
> rendered, for
> example, white/green on a black background (some people like
> that kind of
> thing).
>
> Of course, what is really needed is a dialog to allow people
> to edit the
> Shout colours/styles, rather than hacking the
> defaultStyleTable method. It's on my ToDo list.
>
> Cheers,
> Andy
>
>
> "Gary Chambers" <[hidden email]> wrote in message
> news:000001c8043a$f85b33c0$5401a8c0@europa...
> > And if you want Shout workspaces to do the same add this also to
> > PluggableShoutMorph instance methods:
> >
> > initialColorInSystemWindow: aSystemWindow
> > "Answer the default colour for shout morphs as a top-level
> pane in a
> > system window."
> >
> > ^self defaultColor
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: [hidden email]
> >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Gary
> >> Chambers
> >> Sent: 01 October 2007 11:21 am
> >> To: 'Squeak's User Interface'
> >> Subject: RE: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> >>
> >>
> >> These things are tricky. I support, in Widgets, an overridable
> >> #initialColorInSystemWindow: method. Sadly the shout editor is
> >> embedded in an alignment morph so it is hard to driectly
> target the
> >> colour to the shout morph without having a blanket colour for all
> >> alignments say.
> >>
> >> Also, the initial colour gets overriden by the theme for lists...
> >>
> >> I think the safest option for you, for the moment, is to
> extend the
> >> instance side of PluggableShoutMorph with the following:
> >>
> >> defaultColor
> >> "Answer the default colour for shout morphs."
> >>
> >> ^Color r: 255 g: 255 b: 230 range: 255
> >>
> >> Hope this helps...
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: [hidden email]
> >> > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Bill
> >> > Schwab
> >> > Sent: 30 September 2007 4:48 pm
> >> > To: [hidden email]
> >> > Subject: Re: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I really didn't do much, so the credit belongs to OA
> (for doing it
> >> > in Dolphin), Gary for the overall appearance, and Andy Tween's
> >> > stunning work on Shout.  Maybe Andy can give us some advice on
> >> > where to change background colors.  I could live with its being
> >> > limited to Shout workspaces - especially if the
> alternative is not
> >> > having anywhere ;) My only concern re Shout is that I
> typically do
> >> > not use the workspace extension, because I often use workspaces
> >> > (the system window variety) for notes more than code.
> >> >
> >> > The ideal solution changes the background of workspaces in
> >> > inspectors, the debugger, browsers, and workspace system
> windows.  
> >> > Basically, anywhere do-it and friends are available, the
> background
> >> > color is appropriate.  If there is a good place to hack
> to get that
> >> > effect, I can certainly do it, but it seems that Squeak
> should be
> >> > able to do this w/o the need to edit code that is maintained by
> >> > others.
> >> >
> >> > It case you want to reproduce it, the color is
> >> >
> >> >    Color r:1.0 g:1.0 b:230.0/255
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> >> > University of Florida
> >> > Department of Anesthesiology
> >> > PO Box 100254
> >> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >> >
> >> > Email: [hidden email]
> >> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> >> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >> >
> >> > >>> [hidden email] 09/27/07 11:04 PM >>>
> >> > That looks great !
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:21:55 +0200, Bill Schwab wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > This should do it:
> >> > >
> >> > >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> >> > > University of Florida
> >> > > Department of Anesthesiology
> >> > > PO Box 100254
> >> > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >> > >
> >> > > Email: [hidden email]
> >> > > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> >> > > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> >> > > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation
> >> problems I
> >> > > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI
> >> > > swiki
> >> > page,
> >> > > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using
> >> > > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> >> > new image.  I
> >> > > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> >> > capturing a change
> >> > > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> >> > the visual
> >> > > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> >> > before I had
> >> > > time to break it :)
> >> > >
> >> > > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> >> > proper way to
> >> > > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> >> > it on my web
> >> > > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to
> >> remotely access
> >> > our
> >> > > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> >> > >
> >> > > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> >> > color of the
> >> > > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> >> > debugger's
> >> > > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> >> > currently show it
> >> > > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> >> > image is not
> >> > > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the
> >> > > correct color, though, as in the debugger's
> inspectors, it shows
> >> > > the color
> >> > only
> >> > > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> >> > >
> >> > > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> >> > similar changes
> >> > > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> >> > >
> >> > > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> tim Rowledge
> Sent: 02 October 2007 4:20 pm
> To: Squeak's User Interface
> Subject: Re: [UI] Rounded corners [was Re: Fwd: Workspace
> backgrounds -almostthere]
>
>
>
> On 2-Oct-07, at 1:59 AM, Gary Chambers wrote:
>
> > Yes, I figured it would be the CornerRounder. If only Morphic had
> > rounded
> > rectangle primitives available... though that wouldn't help in the  
> > case of
> > rounding the corners of a picture, say.
>
> So don't round the corners. Horrible idea anyway.
>
>
> tim
> --
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> Drugs may lead to nowhere, but at least it's the scenic route.
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