Re: [Help-smalltalk] What strategy to use when developing applications with GST?

Le mercredi 18 août 2010 à 07:15 -0700, ZuLuuuuuu a écrit :
> Hello,
>
Hi Canol!

First of all, it's cool to have questions about Iliad, please keep
posting! :p
Also, I Cced to Iliad mailing list, I hope you don't mind.
If I understand you correctly, you use the Iliad namespace to develop
your application. You shouldn't do this, since your application is not
Iliad itself. It's also true for the IL prefix, it's supposed to be used
for Iliad classes only.

> 4) I created a package.xml with an appropriate content.

Better :)

> 6) Then loaded the package in with:
>
> gst-remote -e "(PackageLoader fileInPackage: 'Iliad-More-MyApp') printNl"

Again, you should name your package differently, unless you plan to
contribute it to Iliad ;)

> Question 2: Is this the way how I should develop my application?

Yes, that's what I do at least, using star packages.

> Question 3: When I modify something, I recreate the package and try to load
> the new package in, I guess it does not load it because it is already
> loaded. So my changes do not take effect. How can I force PackageLoader to
> load the new package in? There is a flag for it on gst-load but I couldn't
> figure out how can I apply it on my remote GST's image. I can stop the
> server, apply gst-load with force option but then my iliad.im will be
> permanently changed. I can create an image with different name but doing
> this every time I do a change didn't seem practical.

Here we have scripts to automatically rebuild the image and reload the
packages. There is one in Iliad in the scripts directory too.
http://github.com/NicolasPetton/iliad/blob/master/scripts/start


Mostly, yes. Sometimes I use the debug mode with the MiniDebugger in my
console.

> Question 5: When using the gst-browser, should I use the file out feature to
> keep my application on a VCS like Git or Bazaar? Or am I supposed to use a
> solution inside the browser to keep track of my code. I guess this is how it
> is done in Squeak, Dolphin etc?

I can't answer to this question, since I am myself waiting for a package
management with Git integration in VisualGST ;)

> Question 6: Again, when deploying my application would using the file out
> feature (and then preparing the .star package) be an elegant solution or
> when you develope an application on the browser it is supposed to be
> distributed via the image file?
>
> Question 7: Does anybody use gst-browser to develop real applications yet?
> It seems to be giving errors for some basic things like creating a class :(

I use it sometimes to read code. I tried several times to develop using
it, and VisualGST is _really cool_, but some features are really missing
for me. (Sorry Gwen& Paolo)

On the other hand, I would really love to be able to use this IDE
sometimes instead of a text editor. Go VisualGST go!

Cheers,

--
Nicolas Petton

ObjectFusion S.A.R.L.
Applications web, consulting, design
http://www.objectfusion.fr

> Mostly, yes. Sometimes I use the debug mode with the MiniDebugger in my
> console.

Whoa, somebody uses it?!?!?!? :-P

You should really blog about it. :)

Paolo

Le mercredi 18 août 2010 à 17:23 +0200, Paolo Bonzini a écrit :
> > Mostly, yes. Sometimes I use the debug mode with the MiniDebugger in my
> > console.
>
> Whoa, somebody uses it?!?!?!? :-P

Hehe :) Yes, I use it and it's pretty useful ;)
>
> You should really blog about it. :)

Good idea, I never thought about it.

Cheers,
--
Nicolas Petton

ObjectFusion S.A.R.L.
Applications web, consulting, design
http://www.objectfusion.fr