Re: Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprice

> Yes, we are still using Digitalk Visual Smalltalk.
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> We did a presentation about our efforts to keep it alive at ESUG 2008 in
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[hidden email]]On Behalf Of Steven Kelly
> Sent: Mittwoch, 8. September 2010 11:13
> To: Henrik Høyer; The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing
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> Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk
> Enterprice
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> If you are continuing to use VSE, please reply to the list with at least a
> simple "Yes".
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> I have no interest in VSE, but Henrik has asked twice and got no replies (on
> this list), so let's at least help reduce a fellow Smalltalker's
> frustration.
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> Cheers,
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> Steve
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> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Henrik Høyer
> Sent: 7. syyskuuta 2010 22:04
> To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list; ESUG Mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Esug-list] Is Cincom slowly killing Visual Smalltalk
> Enterprice
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> Dear all
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> From the reactions to my post, I fear that people might have misunderstood
> me. Bear in mind, that I am not a native English speaker - though my
> language might sound harsh and offensive, I do have the best intensions.
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> The subject of the original post should perhaps have been: "Is Cincom slowly
> killing Visual Smalltalk Enterprise *customers*". Who shot VSE a long time
> ago is another discussion. As are the discussion of how/whether one
> could/should port the applications to other Smalltalk dialects.
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> My focus is entirely on how the current VSE users can extend the life of
> their applications on the VSE platform. Even though development on VSE
> stopped more than 10 years ago, the applications are still running today on
> current operating system versions and with on-par performance.
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> Part of VSE is closed source; The VM, the compiler and several other stuff.
> Though clever hacking/patching bugs in these closed parts of VSE have been
> fixes by the community since the official development stopped. But Cincom
> (who has the exclusive rights to make money from supporting the product) has
> now unleashed its lawyers, and are threatening some of the most active
> people in the community. The amount of "lawyer muscle" behind the threats
> are actually keeping people from even replying to this post.
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> I did have a deep respect for Cincom; they have done a great job for the
> Smalltalk community. I don't know where in their organization the "money
> matters more than ethics" policy is in action. It is not among the Smalltalk
> people we all know, but the ones who are pulling the strings are in fact
> doing a lot of damage to their corporate image.
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> I know that some Cincom employees have commented on my post, but I still
> have had no answers to the main question:
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> Are Cincom willing to donate/sell their "exclusive exploratory rights to the
> VSE product"?
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> Please note: The question is not about the IP. It is only about the rights
> that Cincom holds, oh and by the way; are Cincom willing to disclose the
> contact they have with Seagull regarding these rights?
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> With all the best intensions
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