Re: Money AND Feature requests

On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:00 PM, laurent laffont wrote:

> Thinking again about this idea of voting system for features we would like to see in Pharo.
>
> I won't pay 10 euros / month for someone to develop full time on Pharo on what I do not control (may not be the best words to explain my feelings :)
>
> But I'm ready to give 30 to 50 euros to raise money to develop the most wanted feature from a voting system. This give more visibility.
>
> It's easier to make a one shot donation than give XXeuros/month.

Good!
Tell us what architecture we can use for that. I should find some time to build a association of loi 1901 and get a paypal account for pharo.

>
> So one way to achieve this is to set up a voting system AND associated raising money system to develop the most wanted feature for one month.
>
> Another way is to pick the most wanted feature for Google Summer of code.

Don't expect anything from it

> With enough money one can stop his work for one month and develop exclusively for Pharo. If it's too hard to raise money for one month, we can try 15 days. I've seen that some great developers can do fantastic stuff in 15 days when he loves it :)
>
> Laurent Laffont
>
> On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 10 December 2010 13:32, Davorin Rusevljan
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Alan Rodas <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> I'm relatively new to Pharo, maybe this has been tried before, but what
> >> about a forum where the ideas are published.
> >> Each idea could be a thread in the forum, and the people that would like to
> >> contribute may comment there. What it may be interesting is that the whole
> >> discussion about an idea could live in the thread, and you can keep track of
> >> old discussions and the state of a feature.
> >> If you keep your ideas for yourself, and you cannot implement something by
> >> your own, that idea will die there. If you allow people to comment on ideas,
> >> maybe two or more people have the same, and they can start working on
> >> it together. A forum allows for contacting people, and sharing, and, in that
> >> way, maybe the community will grow (Some developers feel they can do
> >> something because they don't have the time to do it by their own, or they
> >> don't have the skills, but they can help to a dev team that share the same
> >> goals.)
> >>
> >>
> >> Is just a thought.
> >> If you did it before and didn't work, my apologies.
> >
> > Well, those are all nice thoughts. I am also relatively new to Pharo
> > though, I am with Smalltalk for quite a long time. In my humble
> > opinion, while both are always nice to have, at this stage Pharo, much
> > needs more hands willing to do the work, than hands filling the wish
> > lists and voting about them.
>
> Abso-freakin-lutely! :)
>
> >
> > The Pharo team did marvelous job, I assume with a lot of investment of
> > their personal time and energy. They also did quite good job at
> > setting their targets since they already managed at transforming huge
> > but sometimes hectic Squeak core into consistent development product.
> >
> > The way things currently work nicely reflect this, you can freely
> > float your ideas on the mailing list, but do not expect that someone
> > else should do it just because of that. But the better the idea is,
> > and the larger your contribution to Pharo is, chances of it being
> > implemented will rise. Otherwise, roll up your sleeves, and do it for
> > yourself. If that is too complicated, consider doing something else
> > simpler but usefull.
> >
>
> I am always discussing ideas before going to implement them.
> And for things i do, if i not sure if i doing the best way, or there
> are multiple 'nice'
> ways to solve the problem, i asking people, what they prefer.
> In that way people staying in course of what i do, and sometimes could
> give an advice or help by
> other means.
> But i don't expecting much, because we all busy with own agendas.
>
> > rush
> > http://www.cloud208.com/
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
>
>

Hi, sorry for being disconnected for a couple of days.

I think the idea of raising money for supporting feature requests is really cool. And sure, I volunteer to setup a UserVoirce account. So, if we are all ok with it I'll be setting it up at some point between today and tomorrow.

Regarding the founding process both kickstarter and pledgie looks nice. From the FAQ it seems that kickstarter needs an US bank account, don't know if that may be an issue. 

Cheers,
       Andrés

laurent laffont escribió:

Yes I think it's good to have a real Pharo entity / status / association loi
 1901.

For architecture, as Andrés said he/we can set a UserVoice. For raising
money http://pledgie.com/.

As for Flattr the idea is good but it seems to raise only little money
actually (feedback from pharobyexample and pharocasts. But we haven't tried
to encourage people to donate).

Laurent.


On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <
[hidden email]> wrote:

On Dec 10, 2010, at 11:00 PM, laurent laffont wrote:

Thinking again about this idea of voting system for features we would

like to see in Pharo.

I won't pay 10 euros / month for someone to develop full time on Pharo on

what I do not control (may not be the best words to explain my feelings :)

But I'm ready to give 30 to 50 euros to raise money to develop the most

wanted feature from a voting system. This give more visibility.

It's easier to make a one shot donation than give XXeuros/month.

Good!
Tell us what architecture we can use for that. I should find some time to
build a association of loi 1901 and get a paypal account for pharo.

So one way to achieve this is to set up a voting system AND associated

raising money system to develop the most wanted feature for one month.

Another way is to pick the most wanted feature for Google Summer of code.

Don't expect anything from it

With enough money one can stop his work for one month and develop

exclusively for Pharo. If it's too hard to raise money for one month, we can
try 15 days. I've seen that some great developers can do fantastic stuff in
15 days when he loves it :)

Laurent Laffont

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Igor Stasenko <[hidden email]>

wrote:

On 10 December 2010 13:32, Davorin Rusevljan
<[hidden email]> wrote:

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Alan Rodas <[hidden email]>

wrote:

I'm relatively new to Pharo, maybe this has been tried before, but

what

about a forum where the ideas are published.
Each idea could be a thread in the forum, and the people that would

like to

contribute may comment there. What it may be interesting is that the

whole

discussion about an idea could live in the thread, and you can keep

track of

old discussions and the state of a feature.
If you keep your ideas for yourself, and you cannot implement

something by

your own, that idea will die there. If you allow people to comment on

ideas,

maybe two or more people have the same, and they can start working on
it together. A forum allows for contacting people, and sharing, and,

in that

way, maybe the community will grow (Some developers feel they can do
something because they don't have the time to do it by their own, or

they

don't have the skills, but they can help to a dev team that share the

same

goals.)


Is just a thought.
If you did it before and didn't work, my apologies.

Well, those are all nice thoughts. I am also relatively new to Pharo
though, I am with Smalltalk for quite a long time. In my humble
opinion, while both are always nice to have, at this stage Pharo, much
needs more hands willing to do the work, than hands filling the wish
lists and voting about them.

Abso-freakin-lutely! :)

The Pharo team did marvelous job, I assume with a lot of investment of
their personal time and energy. They also did quite good job at
setting their targets since they already managed at transforming huge
but sometimes hectic Squeak core into consistent development product.

The way things currently work nicely reflect this, you can freely
float your ideas on the mailing list, but do not expect that someone
else should do it just because of that. But the better the idea is,
and the larger your contribution to Pharo is, chances of it being
implemented will rise. Otherwise, roll up your sleeves, and do it for
yourself. If that is too complicated, consider doing something else
simpler but usefull.

I am always discussing ideas before going to implement them.
And for things i do, if i not sure if i doing the best way, or there
are multiple 'nice'
ways to solve the problem, i asking people, what they prefer.
In that way people staying in course of what i do, and sometimes could
give an advice or help by
other means.
But i don't expecting much, because we all busy with own agendas.

rush
http://www.cloud208.com/

--
Best regards,
Igor Stasenko AKA sig.