Re: [Moose-dev] [Pharo-dev] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic

Hi,

Indeed, this is wonderful news that you will rejoin your baby project :).

Cheers,
Doru

> On May 11, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Alain!
>
> Thanks for the mail (even if the historial part has always been pretty clear to me).
> We miss you! Be back soon!
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
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>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic
>> Date: May 11, 2017 at 12:36:36 PM GMT-3
>> To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>, Moose-related development <[hidden email]>, Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>
>>
>>
>> Hello Doru, all,
>>
>> I’m really happy to see Bloc progresses.
>> Even I’m not active since more than one year, Bloc is still an important project for me.
>>
>> but let me complete this short historical presentation a little bit.
>>
>> Bloc is a project that I initiated in 2013 in collaboration with RMOD following experiments made around the ROME project.
>> The idea was to completely revisit the 2D framework of Pharo to address Morphic limits.
>> Following an invitation of the Software Composition Group (thanks to Oscar Nierstrasz and to Doru here),
>> I presented the first version of Bloc at Bern (March, 2015), then Doru and Aliaksel joined the project.
>> One year ago, during his PhD at Brest, Glenn Cavarle produced a new version of the Bloc infrastructure that is now the
>> one used together with the layouting system that was implemented by Aliaksel.
>>
>> Please, do not use the humane assessment web site but the github project one instead.
>>
>> I will restart working on Bloc/Brick soon in the context of a project that we recently signed with the Thales company.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cheers
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>
>>> On 8 mai 2017, at 23:00, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend.
>>>
>>> Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see the screenshot below for an example), but the implementation addresses a concern that the community raised regarding a perceived increased liability due to the dependency to Moz2D. Essentially this means that Bloc can be treated as another graphical library that can coexist with Morphic without requiring any external VM plugin.
>>>
>>> <bloc-two-backends-morphic-host-figures.png>
>>>
>>> I would also like to point out that adding a new backend and host was possible because of the many iterations (including throwing away whole implementations) that Alex and Glenn went through. I think they did an amazing job.
>>>
>>> You can find a bit more details about Bloc here:
>>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/
>>>
>>> Another issue raised regarding Bloc was that of the engineering effort required to make it a reality. That is why I would also like to announce that Alex joined feenk.com where he is primarily working on the graphical stack for Pharo.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>> www.feenk.com
>>>
>>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Doru can you change the humane assessment blog post?

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

Indeed, this is wonderful news that you will rejoin your baby project :).

Cheers,
Doru

> On May 11, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Alain!
>
> Thanks for the mail (even if the historial part has always been pretty clear to me).
> We miss you! Be back soon!
>
> Cheers,
> Alexandre
> --
> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
>
>
>
>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic
>> Date: May 11, 2017 at 12:36:36 PM GMT-3
>> To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>, Moose-related development <[hidden email]>, Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>
>>
>>
>> Hello Doru, all,
>>
>> I’m really happy to see Bloc progresses.
>> Even I’m not active since more than one year, Bloc is still an important project for me.
>>
>> but let me complete this short historical presentation a little bit.
>>
>> Bloc is a project that I initiated in 2013 in collaboration with RMOD following experiments made around the ROME project.
>> The idea was to completely revisit the 2D framework of Pharo to address Morphic limits.
>> Following an invitation of the Software Composition Group (thanks to Oscar Nierstrasz and to Doru here),
>> I presented the first version of Bloc at Bern (March, 2015), then Doru and Aliaksel joined the project.
>> One year ago, during his PhD at Brest, Glenn Cavarle produced a new version of the Bloc infrastructure that is now the
>> one used together with the layouting system that was implemented by Aliaksel.
>>
>> Please, do not use the humane assessment web site but the github project one instead.
>>
>> I will restart working on Bloc/Brick soon in the context of a project that we recently signed with the Thales company.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Cheers
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>
>>> On 8 mai 2017, at 23:00, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend.
>>>
>>> Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see the screenshot below for an example), but the implementation addresses a concern that the community raised regarding a perceived increased liability due to the dependency to Moz2D. Essentially this means that Bloc can be treated as another graphical library that can coexist with Morphic without requiring any external VM plugin.
>>>
>>> <bloc-two-backends-morphic-host-figures.png>
>>>
>>> I would also like to point out that adding a new backend and host was possible because of the many iterations (including throwing away whole implementations) that Alex and Glenn went through. I think they did an amazing job.
>>>
>>> You can find a bit more details about Bloc here:
>>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/
>>>
>>> Another issue raised regarding Bloc was that of the engineering effort required to make it a reality. That is why I would also like to announce that Alex joined feenk.com where he is primarily working on the graphical stack for Pharo.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Doru
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> www.tudorgirba.com
>>> www.feenk.com
>>>
>>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Hi,

It seems that my initial message generated a misunderstanding.

My original blog post was meant to communicate two things:
1. That the known Bloc project has received a new feature that the community raised as a problem (i.e., host & backend).
2. Address the other concern that the community raised: how to sustain the Bloc development in terms of engineering effort. This is why we announced the financial support for the work of Alex that is valid from this point on.

The post was certainly not intended to overlook the people that contributed to the overall project. I apologize if it looked like this.

To clarify the historical perspective, we now added an explicit history page on the official project page:
https://github.com/pharo-graphics/Bloc/blob/master/HISTORY.md

I also changed the blog post to more clearly communicate the intent:
http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/

I hope this addresses the concerns. I am really excited that Alain joined and that we can get even more traction around Bloc.

Cheers,
Doru

> On May 12, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> BTW for an historical perspective
>
> RMoD me and igor were also involved far less than the effort of alain but as he mentioned it we collaborated on it. I spent time on documenting several versions and I stopped disgusted to see the total lack of attention for comments.
> Then Rmod paid nearly a year of effort on Athens, SDL20 support, a year on TxText. I find really strange that we are not even mentioned in any support.
>
> Stef
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Stephane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Doru can you change the humane assessment blog post?
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Indeed, this is wonderful news that you will rejoin your baby project :).
>
> Cheers,
> Doru
>
>
> > On May 11, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alain!
> >
> > Thanks for the mail (even if the historial part has always been pretty clear to me).
> > We miss you! Be back soon!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Alexandre
> > --
> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:
> > Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 11, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>
> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic
> >> Date: May 11, 2017 at 12:36:36 PM GMT-3
> >> To: Pharo Development List <[hidden email]>
> >> Cc: Alain Plantec <[hidden email]>, Moose-related development <[hidden email]>, Any question about pharo is welcome <[hidden email]>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello Doru, all,
> >>
> >> I’m really happy to see Bloc progresses.
> >> Even I’m not active since more than one year, Bloc is still an important project for me.
> >>
> >> but let me complete this short historical presentation a little bit.
> >>
> >> Bloc is a project that I initiated in 2013 in collaboration with RMOD following experiments made around the ROME project.
> >> The idea was to completely revisit the 2D framework of Pharo to address Morphic limits.
> >> Following an invitation of the Software Composition Group (thanks to Oscar Nierstrasz and to Doru here),
> >> I presented the first version of Bloc at Bern (March, 2015), then Doru and Aliaksel joined the project.
> >> One year ago, during his PhD at Brest, Glenn Cavarle produced a new version of the Bloc infrastructure that is now the
> >> one used together with the layouting system that was implemented by Aliaksel.
> >>
> >> Please, do not use the humane assessment web site but the github project one instead.
> >>
> >> I will restart working on Bloc/Brick soon in the context of a project that we recently signed with the Thales company.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Alain
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 8 mai 2017, at 23:00, Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend.
> >>>
> >>> Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see the screenshot below for an example), but the implementation addresses a concern that the community raised regarding a perceived increased liability due to the dependency to Moz2D. Essentially this means that Bloc can be treated as another graphical library that can coexist with Morphic without requiring any external VM plugin.
> >>>
> >>> <bloc-two-backends-morphic-host-figures.png>
> >>>
> >>> I would also like to point out that adding a new backend and host was possible because of the many iterations (including throwing away whole implementations) that Alex and Glenn went through. I think they did an amazing job.
> >>>
> >>> You can find a bit more details about Bloc here:
> >>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/
> >>>
> >>> Another issue raised regarding Bloc was that of the engineering effort required to make it a reality. That is why I would also like to announce that Alex joined feenk.com where he is primarily working on the graphical stack for Pharo.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Doru
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> www.tudorgirba.com
> >>> www.feenk.com
> >>>
> >>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> > [hidden email]
> > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev
>
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> www.feenk.com
>
> "Yesterday is a fact.
>  Tomorrow is a possibility.
>  Today is a challenge."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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