Re: [Moose-dev] Re: How to run Mondrian code

>
> and put in the same place as your image.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>> Mac OS.
>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>> message:
>>
>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>
>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>> same directory as this image.
>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>> Vietnamese :)
>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>> it shows the an error:
>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>
>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>> >> code:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Xin chào Tien.
>>>> > Where are you located ?
>>>> >
>>>> >> | view namespaces |
>>>> >> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>> >> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>> >> view shape rectangle
>>>> >>   width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>> >>   height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>> >>   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>> >> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>> >> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>> >> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>> >> view open.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> code and run?
>>>> >
>>>> > Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>> > Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>> >
>>>> > Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>> >
>>>> > The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>> >
>>>> > | view namespaces |
>>>> > namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>> > view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>> > view shape rectangle
>>>> >   width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>> >   height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>> >   linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>> > view nodes: namespaces.
>>>> > view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>> > view layout dominanceTree.
>>>> > view open.

> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>
>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>
> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
> impressions ?

> cheers -ben
>
>
>>
>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>> Mac OS.
>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>> message:
>>>
>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>
>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>> same directory as this image.
>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>
>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>  width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>  height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>  linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>  width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>  height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>  linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>> view open.
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> Christophe
>
>> Le 31 mai 2016 à 20:33, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>>
>> Is it possible to do the silent download only in headless mode? This would add to the first impressions without reducing respossiveness.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Offray
>>
>> On 31/05/16 09:16, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
>>> In a 3.0 image it can be found under #downloadSources
>>>
>>> Yes it did it silently, the thing is, you do not always have a UI (headless image). Many applications download extra files the first time they start up.
>>>
>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 16:09, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> On 31 May 2016, at 15:19, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [cross-post to pharo-dev]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> No this is not buggy, I'm using this version on mac os x also.
>>>>>>> This is still is still a beta version of MOOSE 6.0, but the stable
>>>>>>> version should be release in a couple of days normally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have to download the missing file (PharoV50.sources) from here:
>>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/sources/
>>>>>> If this will remain a well defined location, I wonder if instead of
>>>>>> *only* advising the file is missing, the user could be offered to
>>>>>> download it to either image or vm location ?   Could improve first
>>>>>> impressions ?
>>>>> Well, one day we had a very cool option whereby the missing source file was downloaded automatically, but we had to disable it again because of unreliable networking for some people. A pity.
>>>> I can't remember seeing that behaviour myself, but I vaguely remember
>>>> discussion. Can you remind me, did it If it automatically and silently
>>>> downloaded the missing source file, thus delaying the UI from being
>>>> responsive?  That would be bad :).  An common Microsoft anti-pattern
>>>> IMO i.e. "Don't try to be too smart for your users"  but instead give
>>>> them a sense of control.  Bringing up a dialog for user choice in an
>>>> immediately responsive UI might be acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>
>>>>>> cheers -ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and put in the same place as your image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:38 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I've tried to used version 6.0 as you suggest, but it seems to be buggy on
>>>>>>>> Mac OS.
>>>>>>>> In fact, I've downloaded Pharo Virtual machine and the Image file and loaded
>>>>>>>> the image into the virtual machine, but the software shown the error
>>>>>>>> message:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Pharo cannot locate the sources file named
>>>>>>>> /Users/macbookpro/Downloads/PharoV50.sources.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the
>>>>>>>> same directory as this image.
>>>>>>>> Make sure the sources file is not an Alias."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 2:34 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Serge, I'm from Vietnam and It's nice to see a greeting in
>>>>>>>>> Vietnamese :)
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your quick reply.
>>>>>>>>> I'm using version 5.1 on Mac OS. Yep, I've imported a model, and I open
>>>>>>>>> script windows via "All model classes" > Browse > In Roassal Easel.
>>>>>>>>> When I copy your new code to the script windows and click the Play button,
>>>>>>>>> it shows the an error:
>>>>>>>>> MessageNotUnderstood: GLMRoassal2Easel>>correctFrom:to:with:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am I wrong in using the tool? How can I test running of Mondrian code?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You should read : http://agilevisualization.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Serge Stinckwich
>>>>>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 12:04 PM, tien dh <[hidden email]>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, I'm new to Mondiran and I'm trying to run very simple piece of
>>>>>>>>>>>> code:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Xin chào Tien.
>>>>>>>>>>> Where are you located ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view := MOViewRenderer new.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view edgesToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view dominanceTreeLayout.
>>>>>>>>>>>> view open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tried with Roassal Easel but it doesn't compile. Where should I put
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> code and run?
>>>>>>>>>>> Apparently you are running an old version of Roassal.
>>>>>>>>>>> Try to use the last version of MOOSE 6.0: http://moosetechnology.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure you have imported a model with the MOOSE panel first ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The API change a little bit in MOOSE 6.0:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> | view namespaces |
>>>>>>>>>>> namespaces := MooseModel root allModels first allModelNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view :=  RTMondrian new.
>>>>>>>>>>> view shape rectangle
>>>>>>>>>>> width: #numberOfClasses;
>>>>>>>>>>> height: #numberOfMethods;
>>>>>>>>>>> linearFillColor: #numberOfLinesOfCode within: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view nodes: namespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view edges connectToAll: #providerNamespaces.
>>>>>>>>>>> view layout dominanceTree.
>>>>>>>>>>> view open.

> Le 1 juin 2016 à 13:05, Ben Coman <[hidden email]> a écrit :
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Christophe Demarey
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do not think it is a good idea to silently download in headless mode.
>> You often deploy apps in production in headless mode. Why would you want to download the sources?
>
> I agreed with not download sources in headless mode.  If you're going
> headless, you're not an impressionable newcomer needing your hand held
> to fix a problem.
>
>> I would rather see a default behavior not downloading the sources and a settings to allow automatic sources download.
>
> Lets not not do anything "automatic" and **hidden** from the user.  If
> an alert is being displayed  (as is currently done), it may as well
> have a button to download them. Give the user control.

> This is a first-impression issue for newcomers. The default headful
> behaviour should be to provide the user an alert, with a single button
> press to fix the problem.
>
>> You could pop up a dialog in ui mode to enable the feature the first time you see a missing sources file.
>
> Do you mean a setting outside the Image in an INI file?  Otherwise I
> don't follow this logic.  What happens after the dialog is popped up
> and "automatic download" is enabled?   The download starts?  May as
> well make it a  "download" button, rather than an "automatic download"
> setting.   It something that only needs to happen once.