Re: [Moose-dev] rome
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Hello,
Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. You can load it from the squeak source repository: www.squeaksource.com/Athens
For now, the working canvas are: - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) - RomeBalloonCanvas You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo.
All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image.
So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image.
You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). The next steps are: - Integrate fonts - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work
2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> Hi Cyrille, _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Thanks for keeping us up to date
On May 18, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Cyrille Delaunay wrote: > Hello, > > Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. > You can load it from the squeak source repository: www.squeaksource.com/Athens > > For now, the working canvas are: > - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) > - RomeBalloonCanvas > > You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo. > All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. > > All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image. > So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. > > You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image. > You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). > > The next steps are: > - Integrate fonts > - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work > > > > > 2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> > Hi Cyrille, > > A bird told me that you are working on a Rome plugin. What is the status? Could we test something? :) > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Having some
code to load will go a long way to answering my question, but more basic than
that, I have tried (and failed miserably) to trace Rome back to some
library/framework/etc. Is there any background reading I can do to see
where this might be heading? Any pointers would be greatly
appreciated.
Bill
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cyrille Delaunay Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:04 AM To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools Cc: pharo-project Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things
working in Rome.
You can load it from the squeak source repository: www.squeaksource.com/Athens
For now, the working canvas are:
- RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo)
- RomeBalloonCanvas
You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo.
All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >>
demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the
RomeBalloonCanvas.
All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already
broken in the sophie dev image.
So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work.
You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I
based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from
the sophie image.
You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last
version of 'Rome').
The next steps are:
- Integrate fonts
- The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work
2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> Hi Cyrille, _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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rome is a new api for rendering image and text.
the idea is to offer a common api and several backends one would balloon another would be cairo/pango a third one could be morphic30 primitives the idea is to get rome working with the vm primitives and/or balloon then to get it working with cairo via the ROME plugin then we could start to migrate the system to use this api. Stef On May 18, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Having some code to load will go a long way to answering my question, but more basic than that, I have tried (and failed miserably) to trace Rome back to some library/framework/etc. Is there any background reading I can do to see where this might be heading? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. > > Bill > > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cyrille Delaunay > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:04 AM > To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools > Cc: pharo-project > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome > > Hello, > > Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. > You can load it from the squeak source repository: www.squeaksource.com/Athens > > For now, the working canvas are: > - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) > - RomeBalloonCanvas > > You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo. > All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. > > All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image. > So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. > > You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image. > You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). > > The next steps are: > - Integrate fonts > - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work > > > > > 2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> > Hi Cyrille, > > A bird told me that you are working on a Rome plugin. What is the status? Could we test something? :) > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On 19 May 2010 00:21, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote:
> rome is a new api for rendering image and text. > the idea is to offer a common api and several backends > one would balloon > another would be cairo/pango > a third one could be morphic30 primitives - a fourth one is direct OpenGL backend :) > > the idea is to get rome working with the vm primitives and/or balloon > then to get it working with cairo via the ROME plugin > > then we could start to migrate the system to use this api. > +1 > Stef > > > On May 18, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Having some code to load will go a long way to answering my question, but more basic than that, I have tried (and failed miserably) to trace Rome back to some library/framework/etc. Is there any background reading I can do to see where this might be heading? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Bill >> >> >> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Cyrille Delaunay >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:04 AM >> To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools >> Cc: pharo-project >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome >> >> Hello, >> >> Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. >> You can load it from the squeak source repository: www.squeaksource.com/Athens >> >> For now, the working canvas are: >> - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) >> - RomeBalloonCanvas >> >> You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo. >> All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. >> >> All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image. >> So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. >> >> You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image. >> You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). >> >> The next steps are: >> - Integrate fonts >> - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work >> >> >> >> >> 2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> >> Hi Cyrille, >> >> A bird told me that you are working on a Rome plugin. What is the status? Could we test something? :) >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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Stef,
Thanks, that helps. Where does post script fit into it? I am getting a few steps ahead of myself here, but some day it would be important to be able to print on Linux. Sooner than that, it would be nice to do something similar to passing a Windows HDC into a function in a DLL to speed up loops over lots of numbers. If nothing else, the primitives should serve as examples for anything I find missing. One small frustration/irony has been that I now end up using code to turn what should be double arrays into ordinary collections of objects then into text to shove into gnuplot. There are some hints that I might be able to do better, but for now, the graphics from gnuplot are worth looking the other way :) Bill -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:22 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome rome is a new api for rendering image and text. the idea is to offer a common api and several backends one would balloon another would be cairo/pango a third one could be morphic30 primitives the idea is to get rome working with the vm primitives and/or balloon then to get it working with cairo via the ROME plugin then we could start to migrate the system to use this api. Stef On May 18, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Having some code to load will go a long way to answering my question, but more basic than that, I have tried (and failed miserably) to trace Rome back to some library/framework/etc. Is there any background reading I can do to see where this might be heading? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. > > Bill > > > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Cyrille Delaunay > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:04 AM > To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools > Cc: pharo-project > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome > > Hello, > > Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. > You can load it from the squeak source repository: > www.squeaksource.com/Athens > > For now, the working canvas are: > - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) > - RomeBalloonCanvas > > You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo. > All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. > > All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image. > So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. > > You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image. > You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). > > The next steps are: > - Integrate fonts > - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work > > > > > 2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> Hi Cyrille, > > A bird told me that you are working on a Rome plugin. What is the > status? Could we test something? :) > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > [hidden email] > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On May 19, 2010, at 12:03 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 19 May 2010 00:21, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >> rome is a new api for rendering image and text. >> the idea is to offer a common api and several backends >> one would balloon >> another would be cairo/pango >> a third one could be morphic30 primitives > > - a fourth one is direct OpenGL backend :) > OpenGL would be a nice backend indeed. But the text rendering would be missing, in the OpenGLCanvas part of ROME, and would have to be taken from another library? When i wanted to add text rendering over OpenGL for Lumiere, i saw a couple of external libraries for freetype2 rendering. Just by curiosity, did you have something in mind regarding this? Regards, Fernando _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On 19 May 2010 01:21, Fernando olivero <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > On May 19, 2010, at 12:03 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 19 May 2010 00:21, Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> rome is a new api for rendering image and text. >>> the idea is to offer a common api and several backends >>> one would balloon >>> another would be cairo/pango >>> a third one could be morphic30 primitives >> >> - a fourth one is direct OpenGL backend :) >> > > > OpenGL would be a nice backend indeed. > > But the text rendering would be missing, in the OpenGLCanvas part of ROME, and would have to be taken from another library? > When i wanted to add text rendering over OpenGL for Lumiere, i saw a couple of external libraries for freetype2 rendering. > Just by curiosity, did you have something in mind regarding this? > I do: http://http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems3/gpugems3_ch25.html Freetype having an API to extract the vector data from glyphs. So, the only thing what is needed is to convert & pass that data directly on GPU, and don't bother wasting time with pixels. For raster fonts, its even simpler - just use textures. > Regards, > Fernando > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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On May 19, 2010, at 12:08 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > Thanks, that helps. Where does post script fit into it? I am getting a few steps ahead of myself here, but some day it would be important to be able to print on Linux. Sooner than that, it would be nice to do something similar to passing a Windows HDC into a function in a DLL to speed up loops over lots of numbers. If nothing else, the primitives should serve as examples for anything I find missing. it could fit in there. Rome is an API. so we can after have the subclasses we would like draw on various canvases. > > One small frustration/irony has been that I now end up using code to turn what should be double arrays into ordinary collections of objects then into text to shove into gnuplot. There are some hints that I might be able to do better, but for now, the graphics from gnuplot are worth looking the other way :) > > Bill > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stéphane Ducasse > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:22 PM > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome > > rome is a new api for rendering image and text. > the idea is to offer a common api and several backends > one would balloon > another would be cairo/pango > a third one could be morphic30 primitives > > the idea is to get rome working with the vm primitives and/or balloon then to get it working with cairo via the ROME plugin > > then we could start to migrate the system to use this api. > > Stef > > > On May 18, 2010, at 11:14 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Having some code to load will go a long way to answering my question, but more basic than that, I have tried (and failed miserably) to trace Rome back to some library/framework/etc. Is there any background reading I can do to see where this might be heading? Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Bill >> >> >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of >> Cyrille Delaunay >> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 4:04 AM >> To: Related to the development of Moose and other related tools >> Cc: pharo-project >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] rome >> >> Hello, >> >> Indeed, I started to build a small package, integrating one by one things working in Rome. >> You can load it from the squeak source repository: >> www.squeaksource.com/Athens >> >> For now, the working canvas are: >> - RomePluginCanvas (making the binding with cairo) >> - RomeBalloonCanvas >> >> You can see some examples in the class side of RomeDemo. >> All is not working. You can have a look at RomeDemo >> demoMovingCar, that should work with the RomePluginCanvas and the RomeBalloonCanvas. >> >> All that concern fonts is not yet integrated, a lot of thing are already broken in the sophie dev image. >> So all examples drawing simple form, without text, should work. >> >> You can also have a look at the version of Alain plantec, from which I based the package Athens. This is already a condense version of all stuffs from the sophie image. >> You can load it from: www.squeaksource.source/PharoTaskForces (load te last version of 'Rome'). >> >> The next steps are: >> - Integrate fonts >> - The class RomeSVGDemo doesn't work >> >> >> >> >> 2010/5/17 Tudor Girba <[hidden email]> Hi Cyrille, >> >> A bird told me that you are working on a Rome plugin. What is the >> status? Could we test something? :) >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "The coherence of a trip is given by the clearness of the goal." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project |
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