Can't we have a part of Pharo days devoted to fixing some of this?
It would be useful I am sure.
STH is putting Amber, Pharo and Mongo together and is a good case for scaling properly.
This may feel like a problem but is actually a huge opportunity to get our stack right.
Amber is now 0.13 and much nicer inside.
Is there a way to get a clone of the current running system for experimenting? I mean with the whole stack as it is?
And STH can also be extended to point to Github resources, commits, ... and add a lot of readability to the packages.
I do not want STH to die. It is useful. It is a great case. It works and just needs a little love.
Who wants to help here? I think that I can, just need some interested people to join.
Mail me.
Phil
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Am 27.11.2014 um 11:46 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 11:14, Noury Bouraqadi <[hidden email]> wrote:
SmalltalkHub is slow, so don’t click too fast :-(
While I’m grateful to developers of SmalltalkHub and previously SqueakSource, I believe as a small community, we cannot afford developing everything by ourselves. We don’t have enough man-power. We can see the symptoms since SmalltalkHub is in beta stage since way too long...
It’s better to use some mainstream platform such as github.
We’ll we have support for it in Pharo 4?
It would be interesting also from the communication point of view to make the world a little bit more aware of Pharo.
I think it is important to have a serious online system written in Pharo and in daily use (you know, eat your own dog food).
There is also a difference between the system itself and the way it is deployed/managed.
Please do not underestimate how much work this is for something that is used so heavily, like StHub.
Yes, this is important for Pharo in some way. But such a the system have to be maintained
and developed further/keept up to date, otherwise it has a bad impact. But i have the feeling
in Pharo so many cool things started and then slowly waste away ... Why? The Community
is to small, ... the cool guys move further. The PhD is finished ... Gaps hard to close. Would
be sad, if this happens to SmalltalkHub.
There should be only 2-3 public, open source key systems (or type of systems) where to put
the focus on and give them a long term perspective & support from the association / consortium
or other donators. And the systems and its building blocks should move with Pharo in the future.
And the system should be in some obviously way special & exceptional ... and part of
the "Pharo Masterplan".
(a) Data Analysis & Visualization System
=> ?? MOOSE ??
=> Key Building Blocks: f.e. Roassal2/3D, ZincHTTP, NeoCSV, NeoJSON, ...
(b) Online/Web System
=> ?? SmalltalkHub ??
=> Key Building Blocks: f.e. Amber, Seaside, ZincHTTP, NeoCSV, NeoJSON, ...
(c) A Cool Game (would love it)
=> ???
=> Key Building Blocks: ???
(d) ???
I know, it is easy to say. But the best promotion for Pharo are cool systems in Pharo. But maybe
Pharo has not more potential than doing one type of systems right and ongoing, f.e. (a).
I have no problems with it. I like Pharo for (a) as i like Erlang/OTP for (b) and Lua/Love2D for (c).
The coolest would be a perspective for (a), (b), (c) and (d) in Pharo. But i do not see it ...
But yes, it is better to do one or two things good, and not a five bad.
My 2 cents,
Volkert
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