Re: [Pharo-project] SqueakSource AND SmalltalkHub down ; )

> It seems very reasonable what you wrote, only that I'm mostly using
> Pharo/Squeak and then not very aware about socializing code in other
> tools.
>
> But if I change my hat of Smalltalk developer by the one of a startup
> entrepreneur I can understand what you are saying because this sort of
> socialization of code is were other communities are doing efforts
> (python, ruby, as I saw).
>
> Even when my main motivation (at the beginning of this thread) was
> about an own repo for my own needs, I understand that for open
> projects your point is important. And for not open, I saw that Git
> itself is open (is what I remembered form Linus).
>
> Exist some other tool (open) as GitHub using Git?
>
> GitHub is the "de facto" site were the most sharing of code is
> happening in these days?
>
> Cheers.
> Germán.
>
>
> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>:
>> Sort of... clarifying:
>>
>> 1. not being at all where people is, is actually an issue (from the social POV is a primary issue, from the technical POV is a secondary issue) and
>> 2. commenting at method level is an issue (because we are inefficient in "using society" to help code in projects get better (also to convert newcomers easier)).
>>
>> If the code isn't exposed (visible in the UI) then we are not socializing code.
>>
>> Which leads to this question:
>>
>> If we aren't socializing code in a world that is
>> 1. getting more social (at near-light-speed) and
>> 2. more connected (faster than light)...
>>
>> then how you can say (and keep your face straight) that you are "inventing the future"?
>>
>> You are not. Not one the world is clearly demanding (so you'll not have an expanding market, you'll have a shrinking market)
>>
>> It's only me that see things like this here?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry with my lack of knowledgment, but all this is not SmalltalkHub?
>>> Or the difference you are pointing is that is not integrated with the
>>> rest of people/languages as in Github?
>>>
>>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>:
>>>> "... if ... could store
>>>> meaningfully into the git repo, that could help wih visibility of
>>>> Smalltalk a lot."
>>>>
>>>> Not only visibility because is were the people is but because you can comment code at method level in a social environment.
>>>> That makes all the difference. Lists, emails or commenting issues aren't helping on that.
>>>> Only the guys that one method to method side by side talking about things are having that experience.
>>>> That makes us slower (or more vulnerable to work faster in the wrong things.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 20, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Davorin Rusevljan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Germán Arduino <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>>> Ok question:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why don't why have (yet) something to save in something more known, say github?
>>>>>> 2. I largely prefer open source solutions that I can implement on my
>>>>>> own resources (hardware/datacenter). As far I saw Github is a sort of
>>>>>> cloud service and free only to some projects....Well I don't trust in
>>>>>> such sort of solutions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer a complete solution I can manage from start to end and were I
>>>>>> don't depend of other companies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct me if I am wrong but technically,  storing on git hub is just
>>>>> like storing in any other git repository, being it github, your
>>>>> notebook, or repo inside Mars rover.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not thougt this in depth, but if Monticello could store
>>>>> meaningfully into the git repo, that could help wih visibility of
>>>>> Smalltalk a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Davorin Rusevljan
>>>>> http://www.cloud208.com/
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> 2011/4/20 Tobias Pape <[hidden email]>:
>>
>> Am 2011-04-20 um 12:32 schrieb Germán Arduino:
>>
>>> Hi Tobias:
>>>
>>> Sorry if I'm asking something already explained, but what are the new
>>> features of Squeaksource3?
>>>
>>> I'm interested in try being that I was thinking in provide it with
>>> some sort of data replication (only ideas
>>> at the moment).
>>
>>
>> I have not implemented replication yet, but it is
>> high on my list.
>>
>> There are no _really_ distinct features
>> but in contrast to the oriiginal SqueakSource and
>> SqueakSource 2,
>> • runs on Seaside3.0 and Magritte 2
>> • is highly aimed to run on GemStone
>> • includes a basic Issue tracking implemented by Dale Henrichs
>>
>> I integrated the features that were ‘lurking around’ ,
>> eg, in the source.squeak.org instance. So the recently added
>> direct access to diffs between versions as either .diff or .cs
>> is available in SqueakSource3, too.
>>
>> My highest aim was to improve extensibility, to allow drop-ins
>> to extend squeaksource or to have a minimal one.
>> For example, you can load the mare minimum of SqueakSource without
>> even the ability to store versions to disk
>> or have a full-featured SqueakSource that
>> also includes Statistics, IssueTracking and (email) notification.
>>
>> I hope that helps imagine the SqueakSource3 :)
>>
>> So Long,
>>        -Tobias_______________________________________________
>
>
> Thanks for the comments Tobías. I've a good idea now and definitely I
> will give it a try.
>
> About the replication feature, do you have some ideas in mind?
>
> I was thinking in different possibilities:
>
> 1. Develop a feature in the same squeaksource that does this.
> 2. Use some sort of replicated file system (as XtreemFS:
> http://www.xtreemfs.org/). It will require to install it on XtreemOS
> (http://www.xtreemos.eu/)
> 3. Use some nosql horizontally scalable DB (as Riak / Cassandra)
> 4. Use Magma/Gemstone

> Yes: I'd tell Esteban L. this:
>
> 1. thank you for not being passive nor neutral about the problem
> 2. how is you little git thing doing by now?
> 3. are you getting any help?
> 4. what you need to get us there faster?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 20, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
>
>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>:
>>> "Ahother github" is nutty. I don't see any signal of market space for that. At least not without some radical innovation that the market is probably unprepared to swallow at this point.
>>>
>>> So we play the game there or we simply don't change.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And do you have some idea about how to integrate SqueakSource,
>> Monticello and GitHub ?
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> yes... I'm working on a monticello-like tool, that can use external archives (and because of that git or any other) as a package manager. But steel far from a result (no time)
> Of course, if anyone want to help... :)
>
> E
>
> El 20/04/2011, a las 11:14a.m., Sebastian Sastre escribió:
>
>> Yes: I'd tell Esteban L. this:
>>
>> 1. thank you for not being passive nor neutral about the problem
>> 2. how is you little git thing doing by now?
>> 3. are you getting any help?
>> 4. what you need to get us there faster?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
>>
>>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>:
>>>> "Ahother github" is nutty. I don't see any signal of market space for that. At least not without some radical innovation that the market is probably unprepared to swallow at this point.
>>>>
>>>> So we play the game there or we simply don't change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And do you have some idea about how to integrate SqueakSource,
>>> Monticello and GitHub ?
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> yes... I'm working on a monticello-like tool, that can use external archives (and because of that git or any other) as a package manager. But steel far from a result (no time)
> Of course, if anyone want to help... :)
>
> E
>
> El 20/04/2011, a las 11:14a.m., Sebastian Sastre escribió:
>
>> Yes: I'd tell Esteban L. this:
>>
>> 1. thank you for not being passive nor neutral about the problem
>> 2. how is you little git thing doing by now?
>> 3. are you getting any help?
>> 4. what you need to get us there faster?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Germán Arduino wrote:
>>
>>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre <[hidden email]>:
>>>> "Ahother github" is nutty. I don't see any signal of market space for that. At least not without some radical innovation that the market is probably unprepared to swallow at this point.
>>>>
>>>> So we play the game there or we simply don't change.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> And do you have some idea about how to integrate SqueakSource,
>>> Monticello and GitHub ?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> seaside mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre<[hidden email]>:
>> Ok question:
>>
>> why don't why have (yet) something to save in something more known, say github?
>>
>>
>>
>
> In my case is for 2 reasons:
>
> 1. I don't know nor use Github.
>
> 2. I largely prefer open source solutions that I can implement on my
> own resources (hardware/datacenter). As far I saw Github is a sort of
> cloud service and free only to some projects....Well I don't trust in
> such sort of solutions.
>
> I prefer a complete solution I can manage from start to end and were I
> don't depend of other companies.

>
> But just an opinion.
>
> Cheers.
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> On 2011/04/20 13:36, Germán Arduino wrote:
>> 2011/4/20 Sebastian Sastre<[hidden email]>:
>>> Ok question:
>>>
>>> why don't why have (yet) something to save in something more known, say github?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> In my case is for 2 reasons:
>>
>> 1. I don't know nor use Github.
>>
>> 2. I largely prefer open source solutions that I can implement on my
>> own resources (hardware/datacenter). As far I saw Github is a sort of
>> cloud service and free only to some projects....Well I don't trust in
>> such sort of solutions.
>>
>> I prefer a complete solution I can manage from start to end and were I
>> don't depend of other companies.
>
> If Monticello could store to a git repository you could always use gitosis to host your own repositories.