Re: [Pharo-users] Getting started with Gemstone for Pharo users

> No, I don't think I'm storing anything specific to Pharo... just model
> objects.
>
> We're handling quite a lot of user of data right now, so migration is a
> must, any ideas? :P
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bernat.
>
>
> 2013/1/29 Martin Dias <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>
>     I don't know of any port of Fuel to Gemstone. The difficulty depends
>     on what objects you have serialized. You don't store too specific
>     stuff, like block closures or classes, right?
>
>     Cheers,
>     Martin
>
>     On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Bernat Romagosa
>     <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>     > I see, thanks for the answers!
>     >
>     > What about moving all the data to the new Gemstone configuration?
>     Is it
>     > possible to materialize Fuel graphs from within Gemstone?
>     >
>     >
>     > 2013/1/29 Paul DeBruicker <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>     >>
>     >> I'm sure the gemstone guys will chime in with more details.
>     >>
>     >> Iliad does not have to run in the GemTools image.  No need to get
>     0.9.1.2
>     >> to run in older Pharo versions.  You just use the GemTools image
>     as the IDE
>     >> for Gemstone. So start the GemTools image and connect to the
>     stone and use
>     >> it to load Iliad 0.9.1.2 into Gemstone by running the Gemstone
>     specific
>     >> Monticelo or workspace or browsers.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On Jan 29, 2013, at 5:22 AM, Bernat Romagosa
>     >> <[hidden email]
>     <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> > Hi list,
>     >> >
>     >> > I've heard the "develop in Pharo, deploy in Gemstone" idea a
>     million
>     >> > times, and I'd like to understand how people proceed in
>     real-world cases.
>     >> >
>     >> > I've done my homework and I've watched and read a lot of beginner
>     >> > tutorials, but I still have lots of pieces missing. Here's our
>     scenario:
>     >> >
>     >> > We have a web app, built on Pharo 1.4 and Iliad 0.9.1.2.
>     Currently, we
>     >> > handle persistence on the image and we have a scheduler process
>     doing
>     >> > regular Fuel backups every 10 minutes, and we also keep daily
>     backups in
>     >> > case things go wrong.
>     >> >
>     >> > The app is starting to gain momentum, and it feels like things
>     are going
>     >> > to start being way too sluggish soon, so we need to scale.
>     >> >
>     >> > We've been trying many different persistence approaches, but
>     we'd love
>     >> > to stay inside Smalltalk. We hate having to flatten and pump
>     back our
>     >> > objects all the time. Also, REST apis to any kind of DB are not
>     good enough
>     >> > for us, every o(n) operation becomes unbearably slow, as n REST
>     calls must
>     >> > be sent out and n answers received.
>     >> >
>     >> > In short, we want to use Gemstone, as we've read it's best for
>     complex,
>     >> > intertwined Smalltalk models, and it scales like crazy.
>     >> >
>     >> > We'd be okay with Pharo being the "dealer" between clients and
>     the DB,
>     >> > but as I understand, GemTools can't be installed on Pharo 1.4,
>     so we're kind
>     >> > of stuck with an old Pharo 1.1.1 image, in which Iliad 0.9.1.2
>     can't be
>     >> > installed.
>     >> >
>     >> > What's the solution here? How does one proceed to migrate an
>     app of this
>     >> > kind? We've developed in Pharo, now how does one accomplish the
>     "deploy in
>     >> > Gemstone" part?
>     >> >
>     >> > Any pointers to documentation, blog posts or whatever will be
>     so much
>     >> > appreciated.
>     >> >
>     >> > Thanks a lot in advance,
>     >> >
>     >> > Bernat.
>     >> >
>     >> > --
>     >> > Bernat Romagosa.
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > Bernat Romagosa.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bernat Romagosa.