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Wow! That post on Pharo Weekly ( https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/ann-pharo-4-pharo-mailing-list/ ) really sets a great welcoming ambiance for any newcomer interested by Pharo who'll read that or who'll stumble on it by accident while googling "Pharo+mailing+list" ! #Not #Fail #WorstAdvertisingEver Please, take 30 seconds to remove that crap before too many people read it... P.S. it's one thing to express yourself like that on a mailing
list, it's another one to put it upfront on a blog... On 2020-01-30 02:33, Stéphane Ducasse
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Hi -- ----------------- Benoît St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth GitHub: bstjean Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) |
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Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list wrote > Wow! > > That post on Pharo Weekly ( > https://pharoweekly.wordpress.com/2020/01/30/ann-pharo-4-pharo-mailing-list/ > ) really sets a great welcoming ambiance for any newcomer interested by > Pharo who'll read that or who'll stumble on it by accident while > googling "Pharo+mailing+list" ! > > #Not #Fail #WorstAdvertisingEver > > Please, take 30 seconds to remove that crap before too many people read > it... > > P.S. it's one thing to express yourself like that on a mailing list, > it's another one to put it upfront on a blog... > > On 2020-01-30 02:33, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: >> Hi >> >> Tired of boring and dull discussions about the past? >> Tired and bored about the fact that the discussions are not about >> Pharo but about X, Z, K? >> Want to get in touch with other real pharo users? >> Want to have positive and nice discussions about Pharo? >> >> This mailing-list is for you >> >> https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo >> >> I created a new mailing-list for Pharo 4 Pharo. >> The idea of this new mailing-list is to exchange between Pharo users >> on Pharo. >> >> If you want to talk about the weather and other cool fishing practices >> or how other languages are super cool, >> then you should use another mailing-list. >> >> You can consider that I’m >> [ ] an asshole >> [ ] an arrogant idiot >> [ ] other >> This is not my concern. >> >> My concern is: can we respect Pharo and users of Pharo that want to >> share what they are doing >> and ask questions about their language? >> >> If you join this mailing-list be warned that I (yes me the benevolent >> dictator of Pharo) will remove you from the mailing-list >> when you get on my nerves. >> >> If you do not like it, do not like me, do not appreciate it, do not join! >> >> S. >> >> BTW they are plenty of newsgroups about Smalltalk and you can join there. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Julie Jonas >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> > -- > ----------------- > Benoît St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > Twitter: @BenLeChialeux > Pinterest: benoitstjean > Instagram: Chef_Benito > IRC: lamneth > GitHub: bstjean > Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com > "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html |
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You see this is several times that I gently ask if we can move on.
And regularly we get the same. So I can also live pharo-dev. At the end of the day we cannot have the cake and eat it too. So you can consider that I’m an asshole. I’m probably that. Now I’m super super fedup to have to jump over some thread. I quit newsgroups in the past because of that. I quit Pharo-users because of that. When I want to read about X Z Y and this is not related to Pharo then I google the Web. S.
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What would be the difference with the Pharo-Users mailing list?
Esteban A. Maringolo On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:34 AM Stéphane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hi > > Tired of boring and dull discussions about the past? > Tired and bored about the fact that the discussions are not about Pharo but about X, Z, K? > Want to get in touch with other real pharo users? > Want to have positive and nice discussions about Pharo? > > This mailing-list is for you > > https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo > > I created a new mailing-list for Pharo 4 Pharo. > The idea of this new mailing-list is to exchange between Pharo users on Pharo. > > If you want to talk about the weather and other cool fishing practices or how other languages are super cool, > then you should use another mailing-list. > > You can consider that I’m > [ ] an asshole > [ ] an arrogant idiot > [ ] other > This is not my concern. > > My concern is: can we respect Pharo and users of Pharo that want to share what they are doing > and ask questions about their language? > > If you join this mailing-list be warned that I (yes me the benevolent dictator of Pharo) will remove you from the mailing-list > when you get on my nerves. > > If you do not like it, do not like me, do not appreciate it, do not join! > > S. > > BTW they are plenty of newsgroups about Smalltalk and you can join there. > > > -------------------------------------------- > Stéphane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Julie Jonas > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > |
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Hi esteban
> What would be the difference with the Pharo-Users mailing list? A mailing-list where we do not talk about - how smalltalk was cool - other languages - strange polls A mailing-list about Pharo for Pharo users. where we can talk and answers questions about Pharo and its business and ecosystem. There are plenty of super cool smalltalk newsgroups. Why not registering there? Now we have to jump over all kind of discussions that have nothing to do about Pharo. And I’m not in anymore. It still does not mean that newbies and none core-dev pharo people has to suffer this **plague** There is no need to remember new people in permanence that Smalltalk is a friend of Cobol. If we want busy people to help, we should stop forcing them to jump over and filter irrelevant mails. S. > Esteban A. Maringolo > > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:34 AM Stéphane Ducasse > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> Tired of boring and dull discussions about the past? >> Tired and bored about the fact that the discussions are not about Pharo but about X, Z, K? >> Want to get in touch with other real pharo users? >> Want to have positive and nice discussions about Pharo? >> >> This mailing-list is for you >> >> https://lists.gforge.inria.fr/mailman/listinfo/lse-pharo4pharo >> >> I created a new mailing-list for Pharo 4 Pharo. >> The idea of this new mailing-list is to exchange between Pharo users on Pharo. >> >> If you want to talk about the weather and other cool fishing practices or how other languages are super cool, >> then you should use another mailing-list. >> >> You can consider that I’m >> [ ] an asshole >> [ ] an arrogant idiot >> [ ] other >> This is not my concern. >> >> My concern is: can we respect Pharo and users of Pharo that want to share what they are doing >> and ask questions about their language? >> >> If you join this mailing-list be warned that I (yes me the benevolent dictator of Pharo) will remove you from the mailing-list >> when you get on my nerves. >> >> If you do not like it, do not like me, do not appreciate it, do not join! >> >> S. >> >> BTW they are plenty of newsgroups about Smalltalk and you can join there. >> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> Stéphane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Julie Jonas >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, Bât.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> > |
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Nobody said we were against such a mailing list! But, just as
you, there are topics I skip on the mailing list. No harm done,
quick & easy to do! But one should never refrain from talking about other Smalltalk environments on a Smalltalk/Pharo list : if VisualAge, or VisualWorks, or Dolphin, or Squeak, or ObjectStudio, or VSE or any other Smalltalk can inspire us to make Pharo better, I don't think that saying "Dolphin really has a great look & feel for Windows app" is equivalent to saying "VisualWorks sucks" or "Pharo is crap" ! I could talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products rock. I could also talk for hours at what those Smalltalk products suck. I could talk for hours about why product X is better that product Y for job Z. That doesn't mean one product is crap and the other one is perfect! Every Smalltalk product has strengths and weaknesses. Why shouldn't we be inspired by great features of other products that Pharo doesn't yet have? Criticism of Pharo (or praise of other products) doesn't mean we hate or despise Pharo! It just means that we care. And that we can make it better! Also, inevitably you'll have non-Pharo & non-Smalltalk
related topics sometimes popping up on the mailing list. Am I
interested by digital image formats? Nope. So if I see a thread
about someone who wants to develop a library to read the FITS
format (Flexible
Image Transport System, used in astronomy mainly), chances are
we'll see posts about astronomy & FITS for 2-3 days. I don't
mind since, in the end, it still is Smalltalk-related! On the topic of "Why is [insert your favorite non-Smalltalk
programming language here] better than Smalltalk/Pharo?", I gave
up that kind of discussion years ago... And on the rare occasions
when I have it, I have it in private. You'll always find a moron
who thinks GW-BASIC + DOS 4.1 + dBase is the way to go. I don't
waste time with those people anymore! lol On 2020-01-30 07:40, ducasse wrote:
You see this is several times that I gently ask if we can move on. -- ----------------- Benoît St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Twitter: @BenLeChialeux Pinterest: benoitstjean Instagram: Chef_Benito IRC: lamneth GitHub: bstjean Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com "A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero". (A. Einstein) |
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Hi benoit
I’m abrupt and I know it and I did it conciously. Of course we can let it go and add more filters to trash emails or refuse :) I suggested to the board to create a list Pharo-chat where people can chat if they need and i will not be in the mailing-list.
And that we focus pharo-users around pharo. I care that we can discuss about pharo and help people around. People may ask themselves why few people from the core team reply to emails in the users mailing-list? To me this important to have a medium where excellent and busy people can take from their time to help and welcome community and newcomers and exchange on added value for pharo users. S.
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